[Vision2020] Moles and mole hills

[Rosemary Huskey]

Hi Donovan,

 

If you believe that the Civil War was fought over the issue of States Rights
you are wrong.  But you are right that the Confederate supporters had a
different view of the future of America.  You may not wish to plow through
all the constitutions of the confederacy to read exactly what was on their
corrupt and evil minds but you could check out this brief description
published by the National Park Service.
http://www.nps.gov/chch/upload/FINAL-SLAVERY-BROCHURE-FINAL.pdf

And while 2020 readers might be reluctant to believe me, perhaps, Alexander
Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederacy will be a more credible
source.  His Cornerstone Speech is infamous.  

"The Cornerstone Speech was delivered extemporaneously by Confederate Vice
President <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President>  Alexander Stephens
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stephens>  in Savannah, Georgia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah,_Georgia>  on March 21, 1861. The
speech explained what the differences were between the constitution of the
Confederate Republic
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_Constitution>  and that of
the United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution>
, laid out the Confederate causes for the American Civil War
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War> , and defended slavery
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery> . . . . 

Stephens' March 1861 speech declared that African slavery was the "immediate
cause" of secession <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession> , and that the
Confederate Constitution
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Constitution>  had put to rest the
"agitating questions" as to the "proper status of the negro in our form of
civilization".

"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions
relating to our peculiar institutions-African slavery as it exists among
us-the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the
immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in
his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union
would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized
fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock
stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him
and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old
Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of
the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and
politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the
general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the
order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away...
Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the
assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy
foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it-when the "storm came
and the wind blew, it fell.  Our new Government is founded upon exactly the
opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the
great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery,
subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech *bolding mine

Rose

 

 

 

 

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:02 PM
To: Lynn McCollough; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moles and mole hills

 

I don't think you can call the people that fought in the Civil War
Anti-Americans. Most US wars up until that time would have been lost without
the help of many of the Confederate officers. People just had a different
vision of what America was about. Many US Presidents and Vice Presidents
sided on either side of that war. It is simply that most of the people in
power in the South believed that the power resided in the states, and most
of the people in the North thought thought the power should reside in the
federal government. 



 

People in the United State back then didn't think of themselves as US
citizens, they thought of themselves a Virginians and Georgians (which had
been around a lot longer then the US) and they didn't recall giving any
outside government the right to force their will on their state (probably
because they actually never did). 

 

If the United Nations forced its political will on the US today, don't you
think we might be divided on that issue and still be able to call ourselves
Americans? 

 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Lynn McCollough <lmccollough at gmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:30 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Moles and mole hills


When I made the original post, I was very aware that the flag in
question was part of a historical display.
I was questioning, and upset by the fact that it appeared to me to be
the most prominently displayed flag in the lobby of my courthouse.
Tom's pictures were taken either with a flash or the light was very
different from when I was in the lobby. When I was there, the flags on
poles, of the US and Idaho and been pushed to a very shaded corner,
and they were not well lit at all.
BTW, the flag that bothered me is not THE confederate flag. It is the
stars and bars, the historic battle flag used in armed conflict with
the USA.
This flag only represents anti-US sentiment. It was not the official
flag of the confederacy. Look it up.
Thank you for the analogy of what single flag would best represent the
European theater of WW2. I do not want that flag displayed either.
Yes, my father was a WW2 vet.

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