[Vision2020] heat wave

Wed Jul 11 09:36:48 PDT 2012

I like the comparison made by a climatologist on the news last night.  He said the climate change we are experiencing now is comparable to an athlete on steroids.  Man made causes being the steroids added to natural climate change, the task is discovering how strong the dose of steroids. 

From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:08:33 -0600
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] heat wave

Roger's comments are self explanatory.  In short, he writes 1) 'Man undoubtedly has some effect [on Global Warming cycles], and 2) 'It only makes sense to curtail air pollution to the extent that is economically feasible'.

Can you tell me what your position is and what you'd recommend for fixing things?

-Scott

> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:50:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] heat wave
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> If you think they are reasonable you explain them to me, Scott. You
> won't because you can't.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > This is all very entertaining which is what I've been looking for now that
> > Dale Courtney unfortunately wiped nearly all trace of his enormously
> > entertaining right-mind.us site from the internet.  Roger's statements below
> > are reasonable to me whereas I'm not even sure what your position is at all
> > Joe.  Can you summarize it for me along with your suggestions for a cure?
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:54:26 -0700
> >> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> To: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] heat wave
> >>
> >> Roger: You don't even understand logic let alone science. In fact, you
> >> take some kind of pride in your level of ignorance, which prevents you
> >> from seeking a cure. Then you go ahead and talk to us about climate
> >> science!?! As if you understood the issues or even what you were
> >> saying!?!
> >>
> >> I like Paul, I respect Paul. He says things on a public forum and I
> >> criticize him -- because other folks are listening and I feel a moral
> >> obligation to do so. He feels a need to post, I feel a need to
> >> criticize. That's what these venues are for. Better we get ugly than
> >> not talk at all, I think.
> >>
> >> I like you too, Roger. And I'd be that much less of a friend for NOT
> >> pointing out that you don't know what you are talking about. Friends
> >> don't let friends talk junk.
> >>
> >> Criticism is not abuse; pointing out that you have no basis for a
> >> comment like "everything in science must be verified by multiple
> >> reports from independent sources" since YOU DON'T READ SCIENCE
> >> JOURNALS and therefore are in no position to say whether or not there
> >> are independent sources is (in my mind) a public service.
> >>
> >> On what basis do you hold your beliefs? You don't believe climate
> >> scientists but WHY? Give us one good reason. WHY are the overwhelming
> >> majority of climate scientists wrong? Why are the doomsday reports
> >> wrong? "Critique the doom sayers, with the The Sky is Falling
> >> scenario" is not an argument. It is a slogan. What backs that slogan
> >> up?
> >>
> >> Personal beliefs are fine; keep them to yourself and I could care
> >> less. But when you post them here they become something else, and if I
> >> disagree with your comments I will criticize them. I'm interested in
> >> debate, and arguments, and reasons for belief when the belief is
> >> expressed in order to influence PUBLIC POLICY. So get used to it.
> >>
> >> Best, Joe
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> > Tom
> >> > The information I had on the 1980 heat wave was on the local radio
> >> > station. It was only a degree or two from this one. That is very little
> >> > difference. Global Warming runs in cycles. Man undoubtedly has some effect.
> >> > The debate is in how much. It only makes sense to curtail air pollution to
> >> > the extent that is economically feasible. In the 60's you could routinely
> >> > smell the Pulp Mill at Lewiston Moscow. That has been cleaned up a lot. Do
> >> > what is feasible with out putting us back in the Stone Age. Also take a
> >> > reasonable approach, Critique the doom sayers, with the The Sky is Falling"
> >> > scenario. Work on the problem is a calm reasonable manner. Science in
> >> > general have lots of view points. The teutonic Plate theory was originally
> >> > ridiculed as was the the effect of glaciers on land formation. There has
> >> > been lots of conflicting reports on Vitamins and Herbs. The research by
> >> > Wakefield on the effect of vaccinations on Autism was bogus and caused
> >> > considerable harm. There is a problem b!
> >> ut!
> >> > work on
> >> > it with a health skepticism on individual report. Every thing in science
> >> > needs to be verified by multiple reports from independent sources.
> >> > Roger
> >> >
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