[Vision2020] Huh?
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 12 21:37:33 PST 2012
I would also like to add that juries have the ability to use discretion
through jury nullification.
Paul
On 02/12/2012 12:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> Discretion runs through the system. Officers have the discretion to
> charge or not charge those with whom they come into contact.
>
> Prosecutors have the discretion to dismiss, deal down, or proceed with
> the charges. Then they have the discretion to recommend a variety of
> sentences.
>
> Judges can apply discretion with their sentences, except where their
> discretion has been taken away from them by legislatures.
>
> Think through what you guys are saying. You really want all laws
> enforced, even those with which you disagree? So the laws against
> fornication, adultery, sodomy, you want them applied? The 18 year-old
> who has consensual sex with his underage girlfriend is a rapist,
> right? Let's go after him. Or her, if it's turned around, only she's a
> child molester not a rapist.
>
> Great thinking.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:07:48 -0800
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> Although I strongly favor, and encourage, legalizing marijuana, I also
> expect the local authorities to enforce the law, even those laws with
> which I disagree. Otherwise we live in a community of selective law
> enforcement; much like the old saying goes . . .
>
> A law is only as strong as the people who enforce it!
>
> Seeya later, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Post Falls, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:45, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Janesta,
> I expect police officers to use due diligence and reasonable
> discretion in the enforcement of the law. I expect them to use
> their authority for the best possible outcome of all parties
> involved. This was not done. The only harm these teenagers were
> doing was to themselves, if any at all. Therefore, your analogy of
> using alcoholwhile driving a car and the distribution of firearms
> is a fallacious one. Further, the penalty and life long
> consequences for a minor in possession of alcohol is far less
> reaching than that of a drug charge.
> Secondly, I think it an erroneous philosophy to expect and accept
> all police officers to enforce all laws equally at all times. What
> a horrible place any city would be if they did that. We would all
> be in jail or broke from fines, or both.
> Laws should be used to help people and society, not act like a
> hammer smashing them. These teens cannot get a job now, they
> cannot get grants or loans for college. They will be dependants on
> their parents and society for survival for a long time, only
> because they made the decision to leave their dorm room and smoke
> a joint in their car. Are they deserving of that kind of
> punishment? Police Officers that use this kind of power
> unyieldingly are not serving the better interests of the public.
> BTW, how are you doing Janesta, I have not seen or heard from you
> in a while? Are you working? Are you taking the snow and cold
> well? I hope this email finds you in good health and spirits.
> Please take care of yourself.
> Donovan Arnold
>
> *From:* Janesta <janesta at gmail.com <mailto:janesta at gmail.com>>
> *To:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>;
> vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:28 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> Donovan,
>
> I to, am for the legalization of marijuana.
>
> If these ADULTS under the age of 21 were reeking of alcohol, and
> selling pints of vodka from the trunk of their car, I imagine they
> would have been arrested.
>
> If they were selling guns from the trunk of their car? Arrested.
>
> My point is this- Marijuana is still illegal, and until it is
> legalized, I expect the police to arrest those breaking the law.
>
> Send me something to sign regarding the legalization of marijuana.
> I'll be one of the first to sign.
>
> Janesta
> Idaho Snow Bird
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the actions of these police officers was destructive
> to the community and unproductive in stopping marijuana usage.
> They should have used this opportunity as a chance to save
> three kids. Instead, they used the law to destroy the lives of
> some kids and let whoever is peddling marijuana and possibly
> other drugs to them and other kids to find more victims. The
> University will lose about $120,000 in tuition from these
> kids, the City probably just as much, and they will be felons
> on welfare instead of being productive members of society with
> a job. To me, as Sunil stated, this is a bad drug policy.
> Donovan Arnold
>
> *From:* Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com <mailto:tiedye at turbonet.com>>
> *To:* vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com
> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> A friend of mine was busted for "frequenting a place where
> drugs are
> used", in the public alley between John's Alley and the Coop.
> No drugs
> were found BTW, he tried to fight it and lost.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 02/11/2012 07:52 AM, Moscow Cares wrote:
> > Courtesy of the Public Records section of today's (February
> 11, 2012) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > MOSCOW POLICE
> >
> > Thursday
> >
> > 11:41 p.m. - An 18-year-old Moscow woman was arrested in the
> parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace Complex for
> possession of marijuana with intent to deliver after officers
> on foot patrol allegedly observed her and two men getting into
> a vehicle and detecting the odor of marijuana. Police seized
> marijuana, $240, a scale, rolling papers and a knife. The
> 19-year-old Moscow men were cited for frequenting a place
> where drugs are used.
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > So, the "parking lot of the University of Idaho's Wallace
> Complex" is "a place where drugs are used."
> >
> > If the police want to apprehend true frequenters of places
> where drugs are used, might I suggest the next Tea Party
> caucus? I mean, take a look at the Tea Party membership, one
> of which sits on our city council. Do you really think they
> got that way without drugs?
> >
> > Seeya later, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Post Falls, Idaho
> >
> > "If not us, who?
> > If not now, when?"
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> >
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