[Vision2020] The Horror

[Gary Crabtree]

So you're suggesting emancipation? Good plan. Pass that (in the form of an amendment to the constitution ala the thirteenth) and I will no longer force any weapon in my possession to serve me or remain my chattel against its expressed will.

g


From: Ron Force 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:36 PM
To: Gary Crabtree ; philosopher.joe at gmail.com 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Horror


      We did it when we abolished slavery... 




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From: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; 
To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com <vision2020 at moscow.com>; 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Horror 
Sent: Fri, Dec 28, 2012 11:54:18 PM 

      Minimal? Confiscating lawfully owned, legally purchased (to the tune of thousands of dollars in many cases) property from millions of law abiding citizens? Odd definition you have for "minimal."

      g


      On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

        Other human beings, food, clothing, and shelter. Other than these, I can't think of any material things that are essential to happiness. That is why the government -- generally speaking -- can restrict almost anything when it comes to material things. Not that it should. I share with you that governmental restrictions should be limited. But you're not going to be able to draw a line and put somethings -- guns, for instance -- on one side of that line and other things on the other. What matters, in this case, is whether banning semiautomatic weapons would reduce gun violence and the kind of impact it would have on the lives of others. If guns would reduce violence and the impact on our actual liberties would be minimal, then it seems like the right thing to do.

        Unfortunately we can't really have this conversation yet, the one we should be having.


        On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:



          Why don't you provide me with a few examples of some material things that meet your criterion for "essential to happiness?"


          g


          On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

            Not "makes you happy"; are semiautomatics essential to your happiness? No.

            On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:





              On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

                "Name one use of a semiautomatic weapon that would count as a right, something essential to your life, liberty, and happiness. You can't do it."

              The same argument could be applied to nearly anything. By the way firearms make me happy so I guess you're wrong, I can "do it."

              g








     



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