[Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates

[lfalen]

Joe
I was responding to Scott's question about partial term abortion. The other arguements about when abortions should be allowed and when life begins can  be argued by reasonable people.
Roger 
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:04:11 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates

> Roger,
> 
> You're assuming that your moral view about the origin of life is the
> best one. It is just wrong that the moment of conception is less
> arbitrary or more meaningful than the moment of birth or the moment of
> viability (the current legal standard). All of these sound equally
> arbitrary.
> 
> One might argue that the moment of viability is the least arbitrary of
> them all. At the moment of viability, he or she can survive without
> the mother, so he or she is within the interests of the state.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:45 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > The only one I can think of is to save the life of the mother. There may be others.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Scott Dredge scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:38:28 -0700
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com,  ngier006 at gmail.com,  philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >
> >>
> >> > Roger writes:
> >> > the procedure for partial term abortion is atrocious  and macabre.
> >> > If that does not turn your stomach, I don't kow what will. If that
> >> > does not bother you at least a little bit, you should get down off
> >> > your moral perch.Roger, you're talking about partial birth abortion where the baby is partially delivered feet first and then
> >> baby's skull (still inside the pregnant woman's body) is pierced and it's brain is sucked out in order to
> >> terminate the pregnancy?  For what it's worth, that does turn my stomach  I feel very sorry for the
> >> woman, her doctor, and her baby for whatever unfortunate reason(s) that led to this event.  Absent
> >> any other information, I'd find no reason to prosecute the mother or her doctor for murder nor find
> >> them guilty of such an offense if I were to be foreman of a jury at either of their trials.
> >>
> >> Do you seriously believe that there are sadistic baby hating pregnant women purposely waiting
> >> around until late terms of the pregnancies conspiring with equally sadistic baby hating doctors
> >> to kill babies?  Or do think amongst the millions upon millions of pregnancies each year in the
> >> United States that there are some extreme corner case examples where the least worst choice
> >> is a late term abortion?
> >>
> >> -Scott
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:48:40 -0700
> >> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > To: ngier006 at gmail.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >> >
> >> > Nick
> >> > I resent your Don't pretend statement. I do not watch TV and do not follow what the legislature is doing on the internet. I also do not read long posts on the vision, such as a lot of yours and Wayne's. When I had a computer hooked up to the internet, I printed them off to read. Since I no longer have a printer hooked to the internet, I skip them. I read a lot of magazines. Those that relate to politics are National Review, Reason, Time, Newsweek, The Week, Newsmax and too some extent Skeptical Inquirer. While I do not read them word for word, I do not recall Ryan's bill on abortion being discussed. I respectfully answered your questions. If  you continue this line of bullshit, I will not respond to any of your posts.Ths may be a high priority to you, but not nesearily to everyone else.
> >> > Your arguments on the trimester start of life hae some merit. So do the the arguments of those that argue it starts at conception.
> >> > I agree with Scott that a baby outside the womb should be protected, but the procedure for partial term abortion is atrocious  and macabre. If that does not turn your stomach, I don't kow what will. If that does not bother you at least a little bit, you should get down off your moral perch.
> >> > Joe's statements are reasonable and so are Donovan's. I do not agree with Andy that Rommey/Ryan will push to make abortion illegal regardless of circumstances. If they do I would disagree with them, but it is not a make or brake thing.
> >> > I do not understand the terms legitimate rape, justiciable rape and forceable rape. I would think that by definition all rape is forceable. The only exception I can think is if a person has sex with someone who has passed out due to being drunk I quess you could call that passive rape. What has been overlooked here is the rights of the unborn. They are defenseless and bear no no responsibility for their circumstance, unlike everyone else involved except rape victims.
> >> > While important, abortion and gay marriage are secondary issues. The important issues are the economy and jobs. Lets get our priorities in order and not get bogged down in secondary issues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Keep your eye on the UI Administration. The 2% raise is misleading. It is for teaching only. CALS's mission involves a lot of research. The 2% applies to only that portion that is  teaching. Those that do not teach get nothing. While faculty and staff have been reduced, CALS  just hired two new secretaries. The folks that got  the Climate Change grant have wasted a lot of money by buying 5 new ventricles.
> >> > Again lets get our priorities straight and concentrate on the economy and jobs.
> >> > Roger
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: Nicholas Gier ngier006 at gmail.com
> >> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:08:04 -0700
> >> > To: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Roger,
> >> > >
> >> > > Don't pretend that you don't know about the extreme abortion legislation
> >> > > and Ryan and Akin cosponsored with the phrase "justifiable rape" in it.  I
> >> > > repeat my question to you: do you support a V-P candidate with such radical
> >> > > views? If Akin has to go, so does Ryan, and so does every Republican who
> >> > > supports a GOP plank that does not exempt rape--legitimate or otherwise> >
> >> > > Hi Joe,
> >> > >
> >> > > It's very rare that I disagree with you, but abortion is a profound moral
> >> > > issue that philosophers have an obligation to address so as to inform those
> >> > > who make the law.  And, as I have repeatedly done on this list, strong
> >> > > arguments can be made for the pro-choice position.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ironically, Paul Ryan now says that he follows Thomas Aquinas and not Ayn
> >> > > Rand. Aquinas, however, supported canon law, which held that abortion was
> >> > > permissible through the first trimester. (This was not changed until 1917.)
> >> > > His doctrine of the soul, drawn from Aristotle, actually was in line with
> >> > > Roe v. Wade.  Our moral, legal, and religious tradition always supported
> >> > > "choice" in early pregnancy and the facts of fetal physiology support that
> >> > > tradition.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ayn Rand believed in woman's right to choose and I believe that should be
> >> > > the libertarian position as well.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmailcom>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Roger and other conservatives oversimplify the abortion debate. The debate
> >> > > > isn't the philosophical debate Roger tries to engage in: whether or not
> >> > > > abortion is morally permissible. That is a debate about which no consensus
> >> > > > will ever be reached. It doesn't have the kind of clarity needed for
> >> > > > matters of the law.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The real is really a matter of individual choice and religious freedom. Do
> >> > > > Roger or Akin or Ryan etc. have the right to settle a very complex and
> >> > > > personal issue for everyone else? The answer to that is clearly 'No' and
> >> > > > one would have to be pretty arrogant to think otherwise.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmailcom>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >  Well I wouldn't call myself a Democrat, but I am definitely extreme on
> >> > > > abortion rights:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - Whether or not to abort a pregnancy at ANY time during the pregnancy for
> >> > > > ANY reason is the choice of the woman
> >> > > > - In cases where the pregnancy threatens the life of the pregnant woman,
> >> > > > she should not be forced against her will to terminate the pregnancy
> >> > > > - A baby completely outside the womb of its mother should be treated /
> >> > > > protected
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As far as your condition that 'abortion should not be used as a form of
> >> > > > birth control', why not?  There is no form of birth control that is 100%
> >> > > > effective at preventing pregnancy.  Thus, when whatever non-perfect (pick
> >> > > > any one) birth control being used has failed, then abortion is a perfectly
> >> > > > justifiable reason to terminate a pregnancy that was unintended and
> >> > > > unwanted in the first place.  You know what might be a good idea Roger?
> >> > > > Maybe men should just stop knocking up women against their wishes and there
> >> > > > would be far fewer unwanted / unintended pregnancies that end up being
> >> > > > aborted.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Google up 'Paul Ryan forcible rape' and let us know your thoughts.  My
> >> > > > guess is that these jokers don't want a 'rape exception' to abortion bans
> >> > > > because then women might 'lie about being raped' to get an abortion for
> >> > > > their unwanted pregnancy.  With a 'rape exception', the abortion ban will
> >> > > > lack the necessary teeth in it to allow state and local governments to
> >> > > > force these women to carry their unwanted pregnancies to term against their
> >> > > > will.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Scott
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:53:30 -0700
> >> > > > > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > > To: ngier006 at gmail.com
> >> > > > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Nick
> >> > > > > Most social issues are not hot button items for me. I am more interested
> >> > > > in economic issues. In general though, I favor more freedom for the
> >> > > > individual and less interference by the government. I am nether strongly
> >> > > > pro-choice or pro-life, but tend to be closer to the pro-life position.
> >> > > > Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. In extremely rare
> >> > > > surrmonstances such as the life of the mother, her life should dominate. I
> >> > > > think that some of the positions of some democrats such as partial term
> >> > > > abortions and allowing a baby that survived aan attempted abortion is much
> >> > > > more extreme. Fortunately that is a minority opinion even for democrats.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I am not aware of the legislation you mentioned, but I doubt that there
> >> > > > is any such thing as justifiable rape.
> >> > > > > Roger
> >> > > > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > > > From: Nicholas Gier ngier006 at gmail.com
> >> > > > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:26:45 -0700
> >> > > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Roger,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Where do you stand on the extreme, no exceptions GOP plank on
> >> > > > abortion? As
> >> > > > > > a local GOP leader you should tell us what you believe.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > And do you support Ryan after he teamed up with Akin in proposing a
> >> > > > bill
> >> > > > > > with "justifiable rape" in it, which is what Akin said he meant when he
> >> > > > > > said "legitimate rape." Fortunately the language was rejected. Ryan and
> >> > > > > > Akin are two peas in a pod with regard to social issues.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Inquiring mind wish to know.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Nick
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:12 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > The Republicans want him to drop out. His opponent wants him to stay
> >> > > > in.
> >> > > > > > > Apparently both sides think he will be easy to beat. The rumor has
> >> > > > it that
> >> > > > > > > Mccaskill's backers funneled a lot of money into his campaign in the
> >> > > > > > > primary.
> >> > > > > > > Roger
> >> > > > > > > -----Original message-----
> >> > > > > > > From: Art Deco art.deco.studios at gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:11:15 -0700
> >> > > > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] The GOP War On Women Accelerates
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > V
> >> > > > > > > > [image: The New York Times] <http://www.nytimes.com/>
> >> > > > > > > >
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> >> > > > > > >
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> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------
> >> > > > > > > > August 21, 2012
> >> > > > > > > > Akin Controversy Stirs Up Abortion Issue in Campaign By JENNIFER
> >> > > > > > > > STEINHAUER<
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/jennifer_steinhauer/index.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > WASHINGTON — As an orator, Representative Todd
> >> > > > > > > > Akin<ttp://
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/todd_akin/indexhtml?inline=nyt-per
> >> > > > > > > >of
> >> > > > > > > > Missouri may stand out for his clumsiness. But as a legislator, Mr.
> >> > > > > > > > Akin
> >> > > > > > > > has a record on abortion that is largely indistinguishable from
> >> > > > those of
> >> > > > > > > > most of his Republican House colleagues, who have viewed
> >> > > > restricting
> >> > > > > > > > abortion rights as one of their top priorities.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > That agenda — largely eclipsed for two years by a protracted fiscal
> >> > > > > > > crisis
> >> > > > > > > > and the fight over how to manage the federal deficit — has wedged
> >> > > > its
> >> > > > > > > way,
> >> > > > > > > > for now at least, to the center of the 2012 campaign. It is
> >> > > > focusing
> >> > > > > > > > attention on an issue that helped earn Mitt
> >> > > > > > > > Romney<
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/candidates/mitt-romney?inline=nyt-per
> >> > > > > > > >,
> >> > > > > > > > the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, a reputation as a
> >> > > > > > > > flip-flopper, threatening the Republican quest for control of the
> >> > > > Senate,
> >> > > > > > > > and leaving Representative Paul D.
> >> > > > > > > > Ryan<
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/candidates/paul-ryan?inline=nyt-per>of
> >> > > > > > > > Wisconsin, Mr. Romney’s vice-presidential pick, in the
> >> > > > uncomfortable
> >> > > > > > > > position of distinguishing himself from Mr. Akin, with whom he has
> >> > > > often
> >> > > > > > > > concurred.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > It is an agenda that has enjoyed the support of House leaders,
> >> > > > including
> >> > > > > > > > Speaker John A. Boehner and Representative Eric Cantor, the
> >> > > > majority
> >> > > > > > > > leader, who has called anti-abortion measures “obviously very
> >> > > > important
> >> > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > terms of the priorities we set out initially in our pledge to
> >> > > > America.”
> >> > > > > > > It
> >> > > > > > > > became inextricably linked to the near-shutdown of the federal
> >> > > > government
> >> > > > > > > > last year when an agreement to keep the government open was
> >> > > > reached only
> >> > > > > > > > after it was linked to a measure restricting abortion in the
> >> > > > District of
> >> > > > > > > > Columbia.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Even as Congressional Republicans, including Mr. Boehner,
> >> > > > denounced Mr.
> >> > > > > > > > Akin’s remark that victims of “legitimate rape” were able to
> >> > > > somehow
> >> > > > > > > > prevent pregnancy, an agenda to roll back abortion is one that
> >> > > > House
> >> > > > > > > > Republicans have largely moved in step with.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > In an anti-abortion measure once sponsored by Mr. Akin, Mr Ryan
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > > > scores
> >> > > > > > > > of other Republican lawmakers, an exemption was made for victims of
> >> > > > > > > > “forcible” rape, though that word was later removed.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > *On Tuesday, Republicans approved platform language for next week’s
> >> > > > > > > > nominating convention that calls for a constitutional amendment
> >> > > > outlawing
> >> > > > > > > > abortion with no explicit exceptions for cases of rape or incest.
> >> > > > That
> >> > > > > > > is a
> >> > > > > > > > view more restrictive than Mr. Romney’s, who has said that he
> >> > > > supports
> >> > > > > > > > exceptions to allow abortions in cases of rape. *
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > * *Mr. Ryan’s more conservative views, which have been reflected
> >> > > > in votes
> >> > > > > > > > that would restrict family planning financing overseas, cut off all
> >> > > > > > > federal
> >> > > > > > > > funds to Planned Parenthood and repeal President Obama’s health
> >> > > > care
> >> > > > > > > > law<
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/health_insurance_and_managed_care/health_care_reform/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier
> >> > > > > > > >,
> >> > > > > > > > have come into sharp relief as Mr. Akin struggles for his
> >> > > > political life.
> >> > > > > > > > Mr. Akin and Mr. Ryan each have voted in this Congress for 10
> >> > > > > > > > abortion-restricting measures as well as those that limited other
> >> > > > family
> >> > > > > > > > planning services.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Both Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney have earned praise for their
> >> > > > positions from
> >> > > > > > > > the National Right to Life group and other anti-abortion
> >> > > > organizations.
> >> > > > > > > > “The right-to-life Romney/Ryan ticket is now complete,” wrote
> >> > > > Barbara
> >> > > > > > > Lyons
> >> > > > > > > > and Sue Armacost, executive director and legislative director for
> >> > > > > > > Wisconsin
> >> > > > > > > > Right to Life, on the organization’s Web site.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > It is a legislative theme Democrats plan to highlight, even as
> >> > > > House
> >> > > > > > > > Republicans try to keep the focus on economic issues.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > “All you need to know is that the House Republicans were willing
> >> > > > to shut
> >> > > > > > > > down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood,” said
> >> > > > > > > > Representative Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, in an
> >> > > > e-mail on
> >> > > > > > > > Tuesday. “This is in keeping with their efforts — whether it’s
> >> > > > > > > Congressman
> >> > > > > > > > Akin or Chairman Ryan or others — to deny investments in critical
> >> > > > women’s
> >> > > > > > > > health services, weaken the definition of rape, and take away
> >> > > > access to
> >> > > > > > > > preventive care like cervical and breast cancer screenings”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > The House Republican agenda has troubled the half-dozen or so
> >> > > > Republican
> >> > > > > > > > House members whose views differ from those of their colleagues.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > “I have time and again spoken out against this to leadership,” said
> >> > > > > > > > Representative Robert Dold of Illinois, who is in a tough
> >> > > > re-election
> >> > > > > > > > battle. “I’ve tried to talk to them about the issues that we ought
> >> > > > to be
> >> > > > > > > > moving forward on, like out-of-control spending.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Mr. Dold has voted in favor of half of the abortion restriction
> >> > > > measures
> >> > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > this Congress, far fewer than most of his colleagues. “There is no
> >> > > > > > > question
> >> > > > > > > > that there are times when I may disagree with a vote that’s
> >> > > > brought to
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > floor,” he said in an interview, “and the majority of my Republican
> >> > > > > > > > colleagues, but that is just part of what we deal with every day.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > There have long been lawmakers, like Mr. Akin, whose main
> >> > > > legislative
> >> > > > > > > > agenda centers on the abortion issue. They got a boost after the
> >> > > > 2010
> >> > > > > > > > election when a large group of conservative members joined them.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Mr. Romney’s views align with that of the Mormon Church, which
> >> > > > opposes
> >> > > > > > > > abortion except in cases of rape and incest or when the life of
> >> > > > the woman
> >> > > > > > > > is in danger. He has said he is personally opposed to abortion; as
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > > > Mormon
> >> > > > > > > > bishop in the 1980s he attempted to talk a congregant out of
> >> > > > terminating
> >> > > > > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > pregnancy after doctors advised her to do so because of a
> >> > > > potentially
> >> > > > > > > > lethal blood clot.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > But abortion has proved to be a politically volatile topic for Mr> > > > Romney,
> >> > > > > > > > whose evolving views have disappointed liberals and stirred
> >> > > > distrust
> >> > > > > > > among
> >> > > > > > > > conservatives.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > In 1994, when he challenged Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Mr Romney
> >> > > > said he
> >> > > > > > > > would “not force our beliefs on others on that matter.” In 2002,
> >> > > > as a
> >> > > > > > > > candidate for governor, he claimed to support “the substance” of
> >> > > > Roe v.
> >> > > > > > > > Wade. By 2005, though, when he was beginning to consider a
> >> > > > presidential
> >> > > > > > > > run, he had reversed course and described himself as a “pro-life
> >> > > > governor
> >> > > > > > > > in a pro-choice state.” Now, as a presidential candidate, he
> >> > > > refers to
> >> > > > > > > > himself as solidly “pro-life.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Aides to Mr. Romney declined to say on Tuesday whether he would
> >> > > > call on
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > convention delegates to reconsider their position on abortion> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee,
> >> > > > tried
> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > deflect questions on behalf of Mr. Romney, saying on Fox News that
> >> > > > “this
> >> > > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > the platform of the Republican
> >> > > > > > > > Party<
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org
> >> > > > > > > >;
> >> > > > > > > > it is not the platform of Mitt Romney.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > The idea of outlawing any exceptions for abortion is not new in
> >> > > > American
> >> > > > > > > > political discourse or in legislation, nor are proposals to narrow
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > definition of rape to distinguish between what some call “forcible
> >> > > > rape”
> >> > > > > > > > and cases involving statutory rape or even some types of date rape.
> >> > > > > > > > Anti-abortion activists have long been concerned that women would
> >> > > > falsely
> >> > > > > > > > claim to have been raped to gain an exemption to terminate a
> >> > > > pregnancy.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Historians and other experts on abortion politics say the
> >> > > > no-exceptions
> >> > > > > > > > idea became part of the debate virtually as soon as Roe v. Wade
> >> > > > legalized
> >> > > > > > > > abortion in 1973. “It has deep roots,” said Donald Critchlow, a
> >> > > > historian
> >> > > > > > > > at Arizona State University who has studied abortion politics He
> >> > > > added,
> >> > > > > > > > “It’s appealing to segments within the Republican Party to show
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > > > you’re
> >> > > > > > > > pro-life.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Susan Cohen, director of government affairs for the Guttmacher
> >> > > > > > > Institute, a
> >> > > > > > > > research group in Washington that supports abortion rights, said
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > no-exceptions idea is “not new and it’s not fringe.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > “It is something that has been part of mainstream anti-abortion
> >> > > > > > > movement,”
> >> > > > > > > > she said. “The record is replete with evidence of the fact that
> >> > > > there was
> >> > > > > > > > this no-exceptions attitude, and of course this makes logical
> >> > > > sense from
> >> > > > > > > > the perspective of people who believe an embryo should have the
> >> > > > same
> >> > > > > > > legal
> >> > > > > > > > status as you and I do.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > In the 1992 election, the Republican Party included in its platform
> >> > > > > > > > language opposing abortion, allowing no exceptions and calling for
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > > > > constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal. Similar language
> >> > > > > > > > opposing any exceptions was included in 2000 and 2004, even though
> >> > > > George
> >> > > > > > > > W. Bush also supported outlawing abortion except in cases of rape,
> >> > > > > > > incest,
> >> > > > > > > > or when the life of the woman was in danger.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Four years ago, the Republican Party adopted a platform seeking an
> >> > > > > > > > unconditional ban on abortion, though its nominee, Senator John
> >> > > > McCain,
> >> > > > > > > had
> >> > > > > > > > urged the party in the past to allow certain exceptions. After this
> >> > > > > > > year’s
> >> > > > > > > > abortion plank language was approved with little debate, the
> >> > > > chairman of
> >> > > > > > > > the platform committee, Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, praised the
> >> > > > > > > > committee for “affirming our respect for human life.”
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Pam Belluck and Michael Cooper contributed reporting from New York.
> >> > > > > > > >
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