[Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Sun Aug 19 17:35:17 PDT 2012
Yes . . . Bogger!
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To Jackeens, they're mere muckers, the hicks
Who come up on the bus from the sticks.
They're clueless, rough boggers,
These shoeless, thick sloggers,
Not wise to those slickers' quick tricks.
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Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
On Aug 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> bogger?
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> From: Rosemary Huskey
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: 'Scott Dredge' ; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm ; 'Moscow Vision2020'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> Hi Scott,
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> Because I live seven miles from Moscow (although our address is Moscow, Idaho, our children all attended and graduated from Moscow schools, we buy all our groceries in Moscow, and support Moscow businesses) we can’t vote in city elections. The truth is that our city council is controlled by right wing Republicans and their not very thoughtful, but easily led, minions. When these jackasses bray naturally we get homophobic responses to legislation regarding equality and respect. If this was Out House, Louisiana circa 1965 they (with a single exception) would all be members of the White Citizen Council singing The Old Rugged Cross every Sunday morning in some self-started church (sound familiar??) and firing up a cross that evening in someone’s front yard. In 2012 Moscow, Idaho it’s all about Republican wing nuts which are equally hateful, and discriminating. And, don’t think for a nano-second any of these ________ (fill in the blank, I think bogger eating moron works pretty well) are even embarrassed about it.
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> Rose Huskey
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> From: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; viz
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> It's easy for students to follow their conscience and do the right thing because they're less likely to face political and / or financial repercussions that would otherwise force them to choose between what's in their own personal best interest or altruistically sacrificing most or all of it for the betterment of some other person or group. And, well, with people being what they are which is human / selfish / greedy / power hungry / desperate to placate their electorate so they can continue clinging on to their council seat, you get what you get which in effect is 'yes' men & women and ultimately 'mob rule'. And maybe I have it all wrong, and if so, maybe a council member or two might consider stepping up to the plate and posting to v2020 their version of 'the real story'.
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> Donavan - you can play the waiting game for all the old dogs to die off, but that can take a mighty long time and who's to say that the new guard isn't goose stepping to the same scripture that's been around for a few thousand years and continues justifying the enforcement of their bigotry and oppression? 90% of adult Americans were against mixed race marriage in 1948 when the evil 'activist' California State Supreme Court legalized it.
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> So the Moscow City Council can't adopt some simple language that calls for the protection of someone against being discriminated against on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation? If there is an official explanation as to 'why', I'd really love to see it. And just the cold, hard facts of a 5-1 vote defeating it does not provide any insight into the motivation of why not to protect a minority from a mob. BTW - who was the sole courageous soul who bucked the prevailing dogma?
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> -Scott
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> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:27:12 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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> The students at UI voted an end to this kind of discrimination in 2003, and North Idaho College students in 2000. The nice thing is that most the bigots are older and fading away while the more open minded people are younger and coming into positions of power and influence.
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> When any of these council members run for office again I am going to print up some fliers for them with the Dixie Flag in the background.
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> Donovan J. Arnold
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:00 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> Amazing. And it probably won't change any time soon. Even Micron added sexual orientation to their anti-discrimination policy after being beaten over the head by the shareholders (the owners of the company). And that was over 5 years ago.
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> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660217122/Micron-adapts-policy-to-bar-anti-gay-bias.html?pg=all
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> Looks like Moscow is just frozen in time.
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> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:45:11 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Scott, that is OK. The Moscow City Council isn't up to date on anything either. Most the City Council members that voted against sexual orientation as being protected from discrimination will brag to you about their decision if you ask them. Their ridiculous reasoning is that protecting someone from discrimination on the bases of gender identity and sexual orientation is discrimination against the majority. Which is very confusing to me because the vast majority of people I know have a gender identity and sexual orientation. But you know, stupidity and bigotry are usually synonymous.
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> Donovan J. Arnold
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> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> Thanks Saundra. I wonder why it took so long for the geniuses in higher education to figure how to walk through the apparently egg shelled filled path toward equal benefits. What changed since 2008 when they cowardly side stepped the whole issue instead of just offering benefits already covered by the insurance carrier?
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> And sorry Donovan (and Saundra), I am not up to date on what's going on with the Moscow City Council. I saw something about a 5-1 vote against something seemingly gay rights related. Can you send me a link or a cut an paste online or privately so I can blast them publicly too?
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> -Scott
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> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:28:26 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
> To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; scooterd408 at hotmail.com; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Good job by the Faculty Council! Now we just have to get rid of the bigoted policies of the Moscow City Council. Or get rid of the bigoted members of the city council.
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> BTW. If anyone wants to claim me as their "other adult" to give me benefits I am open to that invitation LOL. And I can be cute in right light at the right angle since I lost 75 lbs of ugly fat. J/K.
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> Donovan J. Arnold
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> From: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
> To: 'Saundra Lund' <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; 'Scott Dredge' <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; 'viz' <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> Thanks, Saundra. Even in Idaho once in awhile the good guys win!
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> Rose
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:55 PM
> To: 'Scott Dredge'; rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; 'viz'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> In part, Scott wrote:
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> “U of I does very little of these things. No bold aspirations and no guts in even doing the right thing such as extending benefits to domestic partners of their faculty.”
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> Try to keep current, Scott J
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> http://www.uidaho.edu/benefits
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> Annual Benefits Enrollment on the Horizon
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> As a result of the University’s continued effort to provide world class benefits, exciting new additions will be rolling out for 2013. One of the highlights of the plan is the Other Eligible Adult policy. This policy allows adults who are financially interdependent and share a household to potentially qualify for health benefits. It may also cover the children of other qualified adult individuals in a household. Additional information on this change will be available in early October.
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> New Tuition Benefit Available Now
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> With spousal tuition benefits remaining unchanged, employees will now have the option of using a new 50 percent in-state tuition reduction benefit for one of their children beginning fall 2012. Contact the Benefits office if you would like additional information on this new tuition benefit available now.
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> Now, I admit that I don’t know what “potentially qualify” for health benefits means, but I’m anxious to learn.
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> Here’s a little more information from an email my dh received Wednesday from VP Ron Smith, :
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> “As Kenton Bird, the new president of the Faculty Senate said, "By expanding health benefits to other qualified adult individuals in a household, we are providing an important benefit to our employees. Many of the University's peer institutions offer a similar benefit, so this will enable us to be competitive in the hiring of top-tier faculty and staff. At the same time, this action boosts the morale of current employees and demonstrates the University's commitment to fairness. The University Faculty was unanimous in support of the change when the policy was considered in April - a vote that prompted spontaneous and resounding applause."
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> One might think there would have been an article in the Daily News about these two items, but I’ve not seen anything, at least not yet. It’s also possible I missed something, but since the usual wing nuts haven’t deluged the Opinion page, I don’t think that’s too likely.
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> Saundra
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> To: rforce2003 at yahoo.com; idahovandal1 at live.com; viz
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> My hat is off to bSU. They want something, they go after it, they get it. U of I does very little of these things. No bold aspirations and no guts in even doing the right thing such as extending benefits to domestic partners of their faculty. Seems to me the leadership at the U of I is just fine with the status quo so it's onward and upward for bSU and I wish them well because their guts is paying dividends with glory. Say all you want about graduation rates, research, and even a self designation of 'flagship'. Bottom line is that you can still get a marketable degree from the U of I and you can still be gainfully employed on their payroll as well so it does serve a tremendously useful purpose for the citizens of the city of Moscow and the great state of Idaho. It is a functional institution that will be around long after I've dropped dead myself.
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> -Scott
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> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:41:11 -0700
> From: rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> To: idahovandal1 at live.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> I wonder where the critics have been? Nellis took over in 2009 at the depth of the country's worst recession since the 30s. He had to cope with a 25% reduction in state appropriations over three years. And the present state leadership? has indicated that the reduction in funding is the "new normal". The bold visions put forth by Hoover & Co. are not likely to be realized. Like all visionary leaders, Hoover thought that by providing excellence, more state resources would be forthcoming. He greatly overestimated the vision of Idaho's political leadership. Small and smaller (or dumb and dumber) is now the word from Boise (except for football, of course).
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> I sat though enough briefings on the Boise project to understand how it was going to work. Hoover was right that UI's future depended on diversifying political support outside Latah County, and he tried to cultivate state support by placing programs in strategic locations, particularly Boise. However, the funding for the three buildings in the Boise Center was essentially a real-estate play. Commercial development in the blocks West of the center was supposed to pay for the project. When the Boise commercial real-estate market collapsed in 2001-2 the funding for the academic buildings went with it, leading to the events that sunk the Hoover administration. The developers walked away with their cut, and the University was left holding the bag.
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> It was really in trouble before that, in that the role that the UI was going to play in Boise was never actually worked out. The Deans were being urged to come up with programs for Boise, but could never identify unique academic needs that only UI could fill. Law, sure, but at that time the ABA wasn't approving branch programs and moving the whole program to Boise wasn't economically or politically feasible. The Boise market was mostly frosh-sophomore general ed, or mature, place-bound students who wanted part-time courses. BSU had that market cornered. The Board of Education wasn't going to allow duplication of basic education programs, so where the students were going to come from to fill four buildings was never clear.
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> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
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> From: Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:09 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] State of the University of Idaho
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> I wanted to share these thoughts from a U of I alum in Boise, posted on Vandal Venue, regarding the current state of the University of Idaho. While the immediate subject is athletics, the post is about far more than that. He writes of an overall ennui surrounding the entire institution. He gave permission for me to cut and paste. I think he has some interesting thoughts. In quotes, his post.....
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> "Those are interesting observations, and they seem to be consistent with what I sense is going on at the U of I. Nellis seems to be more of a caretaker president than one who is seriously pushing forward on anything. I understand I only see a very small snapshot of what is actually going on up there, but if that’s the snapshot I’m seeing it says something about the perception the school is getting down here."
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> "The “autopilot” characterization of the university is spot-on to me. Not going anywhere. Stayed. Static. Unchanging. I feel like the U of I has been on autopilot for a decade or more, and in the meantime it has substantially eroded its mantle and role in higher education in this state. We have gone from being the undisputed leader to alarming irrelevance. We are letting others control the discussion of what our school is and what it means to the state. We are declining to show up for our own defense."
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> "I think another poster said awhile ago that the biggest tragedy about University Place was that it didn’t get finished. As much as the whole University Place caused havoc for the school (from which the school has not yet recovered and may not ever), the vision was right while the execution was wrong. Hoover understood that if we didn’t grow we would die. He understood that the new battle for higher education relevance in Idaho was taking place in the Treasure Valley. He understood that if we didn’t make the school prominent here we would lose exposure, then relevance, and then the school as we knew it. And that’s exactly what is happening. Ever since the project got halted and the U of I was crucified in the media for the financial aspects of it we have lost any semblance of leadership at the school that actually wants to move the U of I forward."
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> "The biggest reason why this has happened over the last 10 years is that the culture of the school has just given up. There is no push from the base to move things forward, so the administration feels just fine not doing anything. Those of us who post on these message boards are not the true representatives of the Vandal base. No, the true representative of the Vandal base doesn’t really think much about Vandal football or athletics or even what is going on in Moscow anymore. They live their lives, go about their daily affairs, and don’t really care about what is happening to the old alma mater. The base isn’t so much asleep as it has become the living extinct."
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> "There is no push from the base, so there is no push from the leadership. The base doesn’t care, so the leadership doesn’t act. The battle is raging and our school is essentially not participating. There is no inspiration anymore." End of his post......
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