[Vision2020] Hypocrisy

Wed Sep 14 14:53:09 PDT 2011

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:

I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into others.
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Wow!

When you once posted a video related to anthropogenic climate change, and I
posted Bill McKibben's response to this video, you condescendingly dismissed
my post and McKibben's response, because, as you phrased it, "If I had
wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought about it, I'd either have asked
him or googled it."

In this exchange you clearly wanted the responses to comply with your
dictates!  You even expressed this condescension by lamenting how hard it is
to get a discussion going, expressed in the subject heading, as can be read
below referencing Vision2020 posts from this discussion.

As far as I am concerned, offering McKibben's response, from a environmental
scholar very knowledgeable about climate change, to the video you posted, is
offering worthwhile commentary, that others also might have found worth
considering.  Not for you, it appeared.  You demanded I give my direct
impressions of the video, dismissing McKibben's response.  Talk about
beating your viewpoint into others, while ignoring the commentary of a
scholar whose views on climate change issues are worth considering, well,
that is if you were not so immersed in a confirmation bias filtered
Weltanschauung on climate science!

[Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?" Re: Bill McKibben Commentary
Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html

*Paul Rumelhart* godshatter at yahoo.com
<vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20%22Hard%20to%20Get%20Discussion%20Going%3F%22%20Re%3A%20Bill%20McKibben%0A%20Commentary%20Re%3A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTikW2RDQyzcXyZO_Rb0hS3nwUVBBCEy1uvSj9tw7%40mail.gmail.com>
*Tue Oct 5 16:59:56 PDT 2010*

Actually, I was looking for your opinion (and the opinions of others on
this list).  If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought about
it, I'd either have asked him or googled it.

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And in another post in this discussion regarding this video on anthropogenic
climate change:

Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics Can Crow" Re: 10:10 "no
pressure" video

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html

*Paul Rumelhart* godshatter at yahoo.com
<vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Bill%20McKibben%3A%20%22The%20Climate%20Skeptics%20Can%20Crow%22%20Re%3A%0A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTinE%2Bq_J_E%3Do8YmZEFDnBDa%3Da4O%2B72eewjZ6%3DKU1%40mail.gmail.com>
*Mon Oct 4 11:43:53 PDT 2010*

*goes down on his knees throwing his hands up in the air*

I just wanted somebody to watch the (expletive-deleted) film, for
sobbing out loud!

And, if you (or anyone else) is not too busy, and it doesn't take too
much time out of your day, and it doesn't conflict with your religious
convictions, and you just happen to be in the mood, please watch the
film and let me know what you think.
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:

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> I've never claimed to be Jesus Christ or Gandhi.  Of course I have issues
> of my own.
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> I find climate change interesting.  I read up on it, and even write
> programs to graph data.  I'm always doing projects like that, not all of
> them tied to issues on this list.  It's what I do.  My opinion differs from
> the norm on climate change, so when someone posts something about it I often
> disagree.  Sometimes I like to respond as if it were a public mailing list.
>
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> Why does everyone think that I'm always being dismissive, condescending, or
> patronizing?  I'm just having a conversation.  I'm not trying to score
> points or beat my viewpoint into others.  When someone responds, I reply if
> I have something to say.
>
> Paul
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> On 09/14/2011 10:39 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
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>  Paul wrote:****
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> “In my personal opinion, some people on this list should question whether
> or not they are obsessing too much about these people.”****
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> Do you mean “obsessing” as in your obsession to respond to virtually all
> climate change posts with which you disagree?****
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> Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in the expertise some list members
> (including yourself) have pursued to learn about climate change, mega-loads,
> child sexual abuse, etc.?****
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> Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in people not willing to accept your opinion
> on any particular topic as gospel as evidenced by offering
> opinions/experiences different than your own???****
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> One person’s obsession is another’s passion, you know.  Personally, I’m
> grateful we have longer term community members on the Viz who value
> community history.  There are some who’d like us to forget about things like
> SSAIW & religiously motivated local laws pushed by their own personal
> lobbyists actually on the city council & board of county commissioners . . .
> and that unsuccessfully tried to run stealth anti-public education
> candidates for the school board.  There are some who’d like us to forget the
> role of certain local religious factions in Proposition 8 & in boycotting
> “immoral” local businesses so they can whine with phony “righteous
> indignation” when individuals choose not to patronize their businesses.
> And, there are some who’d like us to forget all about certain local churches
> that have been caught dead to rights – and more than once -- violating the
> conditions of their tax exemption status by partisan politicking from the
> pulpit.****
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> And, there are certainly local (as well as state & national) politicians on
> both sides of the aisle who’d like us to forget their campaign promises . .
> . and lies.****
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> Your “obsessing” comment is yet another in a long line of examples of your
> dismissive, condescending, and patronizing jabs at those who disagree with
> you.  You’re not the only one, of course, but you – as are others – are
> pretty consistent about it.  You might do well to pay more attention to the
> plank in your own eye than to the speck you perceive in the eyes of others.
> ****
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> In my personal opinion, of course  J****
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> Ha – and the subject line actually still fits!****
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> Saundra****
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> Moscow, ID****
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> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.****
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> ~ Edmund Burke****
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