[Vision2020] September 11th Memorial Events

Sat Sep 10 20:51:49 PDT 2011

Debbie Gray wrote;

"I saw a sign board posted near Rosauers that another church (presbyterian?) is daring to hold a community / church bbq tomorrow. Will you now add them to your list of inappropriate 9/11 celebrators?"

That would entirely depend on which church the Presbyterians were planning to BBQ. I could think of few where that wouldn't be inappropiate on any given day.

Donovan Arnold

From: Debbie Gray <graylex at yahoo.com>
To: "thansen at moscow.com" <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] September 11th Memorial Events

I saw a sign board posted near Rosauers that another church (presbyterian?) is daring to hold a community / church bbq tomorrow. Will you now add them to your list of inappropriate 9/11 celebrators?

I'd much rather people were out interacting, building community and celebrating life instead of..... what exactly IS the politically / patriotically correct way to observe such a day? Will we now have to cancel Memorial Day bbq, camping and fishing to instead sit at home in maudlin reflection of the fragility of life?

How do conflicting opinions and practices end up in insults about IQ, that's something I expect from toddlers.

I would also recommend reading the link Warren Haymen posted, The Decade of Magical Thinking. It's quite exceptional and expresses my feelings as well. 

Debbie Gray 

From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: 
Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] September 11th Memorial Events

After watching the progress of this exchange, I'm now with Paul.

Sunil

From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:12:59 -0700
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] September 11th Memorial Events

Paul Rumelhart so eloquently elaborated:

"If that seem callous or unpatriotic to you, tough.  I don't know you anyway, so fuck off."

It never ceases to amaze me how a chameleon, such as yourself, ultimately reveals his true colors.

Now, if you will excuse me, I must return to an off-list thread and interact with fellow V-peeps, unlike you, whose IQ exceeds their shoe size.

'Nuff said . . . in this venue, anyway.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"When all is said and done, have you done or said enough?  Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod?  When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived?  All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back.  Your epitaph is yours to earn.  Your legacy is yours to make."

- Author Unknown

On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:54, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

>I wondered how long it would take before my patriotism was questioned.
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>As I've said before, my heart goes out to those who lost somebody on 9/11.  I'm going through a loss, myself.  I can't really put it into words, but it would be disingenuous of me to pretend that I feel the same loss that I feel after my father's death for people I know nothing about and have never met.  It seem disrespectful both to my father's memory and to those dealing with the direct loss of loved ones.  Honoring them with a moment of silence is one thing, actually mourning for them should be left to those who knew them.  I understand that that's a bit irrational, but it is how I feel.
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>I can also understand honoring the first responders, they displayed great heroism, as first responders do every day.
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>The attack on the World Trade Center has already been used to manipulate us into two wars, and into giving up far too many personal liberties.  Making the remembrance of it into some kind of litmus test for patriotism is just playing right into "their" hands.  Whose hands?  The hands of whoever wants to whip us into a frenzy about whatever their pet project is.  Whether it's buying commemorative items or getting ratings for their TV show or making points against political rivals or giving up more of our rights, I've had enough.
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>If that seem callous or unpatriotic to you, tough.  I don't know you anyway, so fuck off :)
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>Paul
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>On 09/10/2011 10:46 AM, Art Deco wrote: 
>Rumelhart writes:
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>>"Besides, I didn't know anybody who died there, not even second-hand."
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>>What a wonderful, community-minded/patriotic philosophy:  If I don't know 'em, fuck 'em!
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>>All those who died, were wounded, or had their lives adversely affected by the events of 9/11?  Don't know any.  Fuck 'em!
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>>All those vets who died, are physically or mentally disabled, or whose service help to cause family break-ups and other problems?  Hardly know any.  Fuck 'em!
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>>All those Canadian First Nation Peoples with oil tar sands related greatly elevated cancer risks?  Don't know any.  Fuck 'em!
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>>All those victims of earthquakes, hurricanes, wildfires?  Don't know any.  Fuck 'em!
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>>All those children at risk for sexual molestation because their fathers are pedophiles?  Don't know any.  Fuck 'em!
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>>Etc.
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>>Paul, remember this name:  Walter Steed.  As chair of the local Republican party, he will happily put you in contact with other locals who share your philosophy.  They are called the Tea (Me) Party.  They will welcome those like you who do not let compassion and empathy for their fellow inhabitants of the world get in the way of their sterile, ill thought out principles.
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>>w.
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>>From: Paul Rumelhart 
>>Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:13 AM
>>To: Moscow Cares 
>>Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] September 11th Memorial Events
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>>If it were a block party celebrating the deaths of the victims of 9/11, I'd agree with you.  However, it's a block party welcoming back UI and WSU students.  I can't get too worked up about that.
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>>Is it just me, or has this 9/11 remembrance day officially jumped the shark?  I'm not talking private individuals or local groups meeting in remembrance or to discuss related topics.  I'm all for that, and my heart goes out to anyone who lost somebody during the attacks.  I'm talking about the people making who knows how much money off of this tragedy.  I thank the gods I don't have TV right now, I'm sure it's over the top and has been for a week or more.
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>>I feel like Charlie Brown lamenting the over-commercialization of Christmas.
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>>That's why I can't get outraged about someone having some kind of event not related to the attacks.
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>>Besides, I didn't know anybody who died there, not even second-hand.  My plans for tomorrow involve driving up to St. Maries and sorting through more of my dad's stuff.  He died in November.  He *is* someone I knew well.  
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>>Paul
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>>On 09/10/2011 09:03 AM, Moscow Cares wrote: 
>>No.
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>>>I simply find celebratory block parties on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 catastrophe (and the loss of 3,000+ lives) to be heartless beyond comprehension.
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>>>What's next?  A Christmas break block party on December 7th with bonfires (or are they gonna simply burn some crosses)?
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>>>Tom Hansen
>>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>>On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:41, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>Are you of the opinion that nothing should be done tomorrow that doesn't somehow relate to 9/11?  By anybody?
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>>>>Paul
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>>>>On 09/10/2011 06:46 AM, Moscow Cares wrote: 
>>>>Is anybody aware of any September 11th memorial events taking place locally other than NuArt's celebratory block party?
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>>>>>Courtesy of today's (September 10, 2011) Spokesman-Review.
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>>>>>A number of Sept. 11 memorial events are planned in the Inland Northwest:
>>>>>Today
>>>>>• Salem Lutheran Church will hold an ecumenical service of prayer and lament to mourn the loss of life, lament the rule of violence over the last decade, and prayerfully seek peace for the decade to come. The service will be held at 8 p.m. in the church at 1428 W. Broadway Ave.
>>>>>• The Peace and Justice Action League of Spokane invites the public to an interactive,multimedia exhibit against anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bigotry from noon to 6 p.m. at the Community Building, 35 W. Main Ave.
>>>>>Sunday
>>>>>• The George Nethercutt Foundation is organizing “An Hour of Remembrance” at 7 p.m. in the INB Performing Arts Center, 334 W. Spokane Falls Blvd. Admission is free, and attendees are encouraged to bring a hand-held flag. The event will include a color guard, musical performances, a moment of silence and an audience singalong. For information, call (509) 995-6016.
>>>>>• The Spokane Valley Fire Department will place a 1,200-pound column from the World Trade Center in the department’s new administration building, which is under construction at 2120 N. Wilbur Road. The column was presented to the department by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Posting of the colors will begin at 6:40 a.m. For information, call (509) 928-1700.
>>>>>• Kootenai County Fire and Rescue will dedicate the organization’s new training facility at 3:30 p.m. at 5271 E. Seltice Way, Post Falls. The 10-acre campus includes a training tower, specialized props, 300-seat classroom and other buildings. For information, call Shaena Dunn, (208) 676-8739ext. 125.
>>>>>• The Coeur d’Alene police and fire departments and branches of the military will commemorate the anniversary with a ceremony at Fallen Heroes Plaza, 1500 N. 15th St. in Coeur d’Alene, from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m., followed by an emergency and armed services open house until 5 p.m. For information contact the Coeur d’Alene Fire Department at(208) 769-2245.
>>>>>• More than 260 firefighters from around the Inland Northwest will participate in theSpokane 9/11 Memorial Stair Climb to honor members of the Fire Department of New York who died on Sept. 11, 2001. Participants will climb stairs at the Bank of America Financial Center, 601 W. Riverside Ave., multiple times to total the 110 stories in the twin towers. The event begins with an honor guard at 9 a.m. and the first teams will begin climbing at 9:30 a.m.
>>>>>• Two free performances of “The Guys” will be presented at the Coeur d’Alene Public Library, 702 E. Front Ave., at 2 p.m. and 7 p.m. “The Guys” is a memorial to “the shattered psyche of post-Sept. 11 New York,” told through the eyes of a fire captain and a journalist, and is presented by the Bombay Cat Theatre Project. Call (208) 769-2315ext. 426 for information.
>>>>>• Mount Spokane is the site of a “vortex ceremony and drumming spiritual event”organized by Debra Peterson. Participants should meet at Yoke’s grocery store at 14202 N. Market St. by noon to carpool to Mount Spokane. Entering the park requires a Discovery Pass sticker for every vehicle; they can be purchased for $10. Bring an item to share for a potluck lunch after the ceremony. Call Peterson at (509) 276-4028for information.
>>>>>• A Patriot’s Day Memorial Ceremony will be at 1:30 p.m. during the Spokane County Interstate Fair. The march includes a bell ceremony and 21-gun salute, and concludes in the Grandstand Arena. Local fire and police departments will take part, as well as the Spokane County Pipe and Drum Band. In addition, all police, fire and military personnel will receive free admission to the fair on Sept. 11 with proper identification. For information, call (509) 477-2770.
>>>>>• Ignite will present two performances of local author Reed McColm’s “Hole in the Sky,” a drama about the 108 minutes between the time the first plane hit the World Trade Center and the collapse of Tower One. Performances are at 2 p.m. and 7 p.m. atInterplayers Theatre, 174 S. Howard St. There is no charge but donations will be accepted for the National Fallen Firefighters Fund.
>>>>>• A 9/11 Remembrance Run will take place from 7 a.m. to 4:11 p.m. at Medical Lake Waterfront Park. Form a team of 10 and register on Saturday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. at Medical Lake High School. One member of the team must be on the course at all times. Call Keturah Guidry for information at (509) 599-2661.
>>>>>• The Cutter Theatre in Metaline Falls, Wash., will present a concert titled “Windows on the World” at 2 p.m., featuring live music performances and a presentation of John Adams’ “On the Transmigration of Souls.” The theater is located at 302 Park St., Metaline Falls; call (509) 446-4108for information.
>>>>>• The pastors of St. Mary’s Catholic Church, Zion Lutheran Church, Millwood Presbyterian Church and New Hope Bible Church will come together for a special service at 4 p.m. at Zion Lutheran, 8304 E. Buckeye Ave. The service will include Scripture-based meditations, hymns and organ music.
>>>>>• First Congregational Church of Christ will host a “9/11 commemoration of faith and hope” at 5 p.m., 205 N. Maple in Colville. Call the church at (509) 684-4213 for information.
>>>>>• Whitworth University will hold a service of remembrance at 9 p.m. in the Seeley G. Mudd Chapel on campus to provide an opportunity to reflect in the impact of 9/11 and how we should live and respond today.
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>>>>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>>Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>>"When all is said and done, have you done or said enough?  Have you just gone along for the ride, or have you steered destiny's hotrod?  When you leave this world, did you make it any better than it was when you arrived?  All you need is all you've got: your wits and the clothes on your back.  Your epitaph is yours to earn.  Your legacy is yours to make."
>>>>>
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>>>>>- Author Unknown
>>>>>
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