[Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

Wed Nov 30 18:04:39 PST 2011

Oh NO!

“Horsemeat May Become Available in the U.S.”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2100736,00.html

Jay

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Jay Borden
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Tom Hansen
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

All right… eating…

A quick search turned up this article…

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/37191/horse-slaughter-ruled-illegal-in-texas

In 2007, Texas passed a law banning the slaughter of horses for consumption.  (I can’t imaging myself wanting horse meat...)

Going down this path, (although I haven’t looked it up), I’ll sure one could find all sorts of stuff that deal with turtle soup, caviar, and the like.

Technically speaking, the government has regulated/banned folks from eating a bald eagle.

It’s interesting to note that using this same approach (government doesn’t necessarily regulate by saying you CAN’T consume it, it just regulates how you obtain it)… it would mean that the Prohibition movement was legit… since the government didn’t restrict the production of alcohol, only its sales and distribution.

Jay  

From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Jay Borden
Cc: lfalen; <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

No.  That is not what I or Mr. Falen specified.  

Mr. Falen's statement reads "what people eat".

So, likewise here are the definitions, courtesy of your source, of . . .

"Eat"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Eat

"Serve"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Serve

'Nuff said?

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:32 PM, "Jay Borden" <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:

	I was under the impression that you were wanting examples of where the government had introduced regulations between people and their food.

	For your reference, I have added links to the definitions of “regulate” and “ban”.

	Regulate – To control or direct according to rule, principle, or law.

	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regulate

	Ban – to prohibit, especially by official decree.

	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ban

	Jay

	From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:46 AM
	To: Jay Borden
	Cc: lfalen; <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
	Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

	That does not substantiate Mr. Falen's implication.

	Nowhere in your links does it claim that people are banned from eating rare hamburgers or banned from salt intake.

	The links simply state that retailers will not SERVE rare hamburgers and that restaurants are regulated by the amount of salt contained in menu items.

	I can legally, albeit ill-advised for health reasons, mash up a pound of raw (or rare) hamburger meat with a pound of salt and consume it all in ANY of the Nifty Fifty (states in the US of A) without fear of any adverse action taken against me by the government.

	Seeya round town, Moscow.

	Tom Hansen

	Moscow, Idaho

	"If not us, who?

	If not now, when?"

	- Unknown

	On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:38 AM, "Jay Borden" <jborden at datawedge.com> wrote:

		North Carolina has banned hamburgers from being served rare…

		http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/north-carolina-rare-burger-ban_n_861306.html

		New York City was moving forward on a plan to regulate the amount of salt contained in restaurant food… (don’t know how far they got)…

		http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Science/New-York-leads-plan-to-cut-salt-intake-and-save-0.8m-lives

		That’s a cursory glance at how government regulates what people are eating… you could probably find more granular and specific examples if you wanted to dig further.  

		(Doesn’t the USDA oversee the entire federal school lunch program...    I’m pretty sure they do).

		Jay

		From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
		Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:01 AM
		To: lfalen
		Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
		Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

		Roger Falen's unsubstantiated implication . . .

		"It is not right for any government to regulate what people eat."

		Question, Mr. Falen:   Just how is your implication, that the government regulates what people eat, substantiated? Orissa this simply another "Because I said so" moment?

		Seeya round town, Moscow.

		Tom Hansen

		Moscow, Idaho

		"If not us, who?

		If not now, when?"

		- Unknown

		On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:39 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

			There is some merit is a part of what you said. Government should prohibit false advertizing and it is legitimate to provide nutritional and health information. It is not right for any government to regulate what people eat. Just provide information and then it it up to the individual on what they do with that information.
			Roger
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			From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
			Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:36:15 -0800
			To: Art Deco deco at moscow.com, "Vision2020 at moscow.com" Vision2020 at moscow.com
			Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should Legislation Protect the Obese?

			I can say as someone that use to be morbidly obese before I lost 95 lbs, it comes down to education. So I think that people that are an unhealthy weight and want employers or the taxpayers to flip the bill for their medical expenses, should be required to take educational courses on diet, exercise, food, and nutrition. 

				Most people overweight don't want to be. It isn't just about will power or exercise. It is about knowing what to do to avoid losing the ability to resist bad choices and how to make good choices that lead to better choices later on. Approaching weight control as if you must resist food and force yourself to exercise is living a hellish nightmare that will only lead to psychiatric problems and eventual failure. That is the wrong way to change your life and your health. I am not within 25 lbs of my ideal weight instead of 120 because I am able to resist donuts. I am this weight now because I educated myself and kicked the addictions of smoking, drinking, soda, fast food, high fructose corn syrup, and I enjoy walking and doing things. I have a donut when the mood strikes me, but it doesn't strike me 10 times a day like it use to. 

				Obese and all people do need protection from ignorance and the barrage of false claims about food and what is good and bad for you. Much of our food is drugged with chemicals to make you addicted to it. Much of our food also contains high fructrose corn syrup, which is sugar. Diet soda, even though it has 0 calories, can easily make a person gain 15-50lbs of excess weight and also cause high blood pressure and diabetes. People need proper education so they can live healthier lives. So yes, they need protection. They need protection from the government and advertisers that push addictive garbage and sugar as food. 

				Donovan Arnold

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				From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>

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				Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:34 AM

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				Should Legislation Protect the Obese? 

				NY Times OP/ED 

				http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/11/28/should-legislation-protect-obese-people/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1 

				Wayne A. Fox

				wayne.a.fox at gmail.com

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