[Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America'sMentalHealth Crisis

[lfalen]

I think that you are a little off base here. Williams is the only comedian in the list. You are just making excuses to justify your position.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:39:57 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America'sMentalHealth Crisis

> Again I didn't say that there weren't examples of inappropriate rhetoric
> from the left; I said that there are MORE examples from the right than the
> left. And the examples are from folks who work at Fox NEWS or who are
> candidates for public office, not comedians; they are examples of people
> trying to get folks to vote one way or the other, not people telling jokes.
> 
> As for Obama, I already said that was WRONG. I don't have a problem with
> telling folks on the left that they are sometimes wrong. It doesn't excuse
> Palin. In fact, it means she's wrong too.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > Bill Maher - " Why couldn't he have croaked fro it instead of Heath Ledger"
> > Ed Schultz- Lord take him to the Promised Land, Dick Cheney's heart is a
> > political football. We ought yo rip it out and kick it around and stuff it
> > back into him"
> > Charles Bouley- About Tony Snow "How could a cancer not grow in you? Work
> > for Fox News.. and how could your guts not rot?"
> > Montel Williams on Mechele Bachmanm "Slit your wrist. Go ahead.. Move that
> > knife up about two feet.O mean start at the collarbone".
> > Obama- It they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"
> > Several commentators have said. Try Bush and Cheney for war crimes and hang
> > them"
> > There have been very few comments on the right that have reached this leave
> > of hate. I personally do no think Obama's statement should be taken
> > literally, as most of the statements on the right should not be. You my be
> > right about the level of notoriety of those on the left that make such
> > statements, with the exception of William, Maher and Obama. Most of these
> > statements by the left were explicit calls for the death of someone.
> > Everyone on both sides  uses military metaphors. These should not be taken
> > literally. While I would like to see a decrease in such language I do do
> > think that it can be blamed for the acts of someone like Loughner. Violent
> > Video games TV and Music that call for cops to be killed have much more of
> > an effect.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:26:03 -0800
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> > MentalHealth Crisis
> >
> > > Fine, Roger. First, it is worth noting that Michael O'Neal is very
> > > offensive. All of his articles are filled with anti-left bashing,
> > > distortions of the truth, and over-the-top rhetoric. As several Daily
> > News
> > > letters-to-the-editor have pointed out, his last column was guilty of
> > > exactly what he accused folks on the left of doing: exploiting a tragic
> > > situation for political gain.
> > >
> > > My point is that the right is worse than the left wrt the kinds of things
> > > Nick is talking about. I understand you disagree and that some on the
> > left
> > > like to say "we're all to blame" but that strikes me as bunk. Folks like
> > > Rush, Beck, Palin, and others are far worse in this respect --
> > > disrespectful, angry, hateful, distorted comments about their political
> > > opponents -- than any of the folks on the left. I'm not saying all the
> > blame
> > > goes to the right. This is a comparative claim.
> > >
> > > Again, you're free to prove me wrong by illustrating the kinds of
> > examples I
> > > note below. I doubt you can do it but I'm willing to listen. But there
> > > really is no comparison.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:16 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I said nothing about any school. Nether did Nick for that matter. He
> > > > referred to Rush in particular. My comments were on the broad spectum
> > of the
> > > > left vs right as were Micheal O'Neal's.
> > > > Roger
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:54:56 -0800
> > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> > Mental
> > > > Health Crisis
> > > >
> > > > > Every bit as violent? I'm sorry Roger but you're wrong. Name one
> > school
> > > > which has on the front page of it's website an example of the kind of
> > > > rhetoric that NSA has on it's website. Name one potential Democratic
> > > > candidate for president who had a poster like Palin's with crosshairs
> > > > designating Republican candidates. Name two liberal/progressive radio
> > talk
> > > > show hosts who regularly portray Republicans as Nazis (or whatever the
> > > > rightwing equivalent of Communists is).
> > > > >
> > > > > Be honest, Roger. Of course you can find examples on both sides but
> > they
> > > > are hardly equal in number or volume.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:10 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nick
> > > > > > I agree with you that we should take care of the mentally ill and
> > the
> > > > disabled. I just wish  that you could find it in your heart to be a
> > little
> > > > more even handed in parcelling out blame. As the Michael O'Neal article
> > > >  points out, the rhetoric coming from the left is every bit as violent
> > if
> > > > not more so than that from the right. I personally think violent video
> > > > games, TV and rap music have more of an impact that that of
> > politicians. I
> > > > have seen research reports that say these things have no effect. I
> > think
> > > > something is wrong with their research. A constant bombardment of these
> > > > things can not help but deaden the senses. Particularly for the
> > mentally
> > > > unstable.
> > > > > > Roger
> > > > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > > > From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:21:38 -0800
> > > > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] How Many More Jared Loughners? America's
> > Mental
> > > > Health Crisis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Dear Visionaries:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Below is my radio commentary/column for this week.  The full
> > version
> > > > is attached.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Nick
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> HOW MANY MORE JARED LOUGHNERS? AMERICA’S MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Jared Loughner, the gunman who killed six and wounded 14 at a
> > Tucson
> > > > Safeway, has all the symptoms of someone who is mentally ill.  Even
> > though
> > > > anti-government rhetoric was found in his writings, many people want us
> > to
> > > > believe that Loughner’s actions are exclusively those of a deranged
> > mind.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In a heart-wrenching letter in the Daily News, a father wrote
> > about
> > > > his autistic son, who listens to Rush Limbaugh every day and sends
> > > > frightening e-mails to his father. He confesses that he “can easily see
> > how
> > > > Eric might decide to make himself instantly famous with the aid of a
> > gun.
> > > >  Violent rhetoric can indeed have violent consequences.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mental health professionals are reminding us that not all those
> > who
> > > > have a mental disorder are violent individuals.  In fact, the mentally
> > ill
> > > > are more often the targets of abuse not perpetrators.  It is estimated
> > that
> > > > only 40,000 of 4 million mentally ill Americans can be considered
> > violent> > >>
> > > > > >> Loughner should have been referred to a mental health clinic, but
> > he
> > > > most likely would not have received treatment.  In his own Pima County
> > 45
> > > > percent of those in mental health programs were disenrolled in 2009
> > because
> > > > of budget cuts.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A 2007 study in the British medical journal The Lancet estimated
> > that
> > > > 67 percent of Americans with mental disorders do not receive any
> > treatment
> > > > (vol. 370: 878-89).  As with other social and health statistics—such a
> > teen
> > > > births and infant mortality—U.S. mental health care compares with Third
> > > > World countries.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Fox News’ psychiatrist Keith Ablow states that “in most states,
> > the
> > > > mental health care delivery systems have been gutted by
> > disproportionate
> > > > cuts that leave them reeling, understaffed and unreliable.”
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ablow also blames private health insurers “who routinely deny
> > > > comprehensive services (like hospitalization) to people, even if they
> > are
> > > > psychotic and drug addicted and even if they have expressed very
> > serious
> > > > thoughts of violence.” But Ablow and his friend Glenn Beck condemn the
> > > > civilized world’s socialized medicine that offers much better mental
> > health
> > > > coverage.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Republicans now control the House and the most state legislatures
> > > > ever, and they will make sure that economic inequality increases and
> > funding
> > > > for social and health programs decreases.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The GOP mantra of “No New Taxes” will prevent the implementation
> > of
> > > > the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health’s recommendations. Set up
> > in
> > > > 2002 by then President George W. Bush, the commissioners bemoaned the
> > > > collapse of the nation’s mental health services and proposed increased
> > > > federal funding in this area.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The advocacy group America Mental Health makes a strong pitch to
> > the
> > > > nation’s business leaders by reminding them that “untreated and
> > mistreated
> > > > mental illness costs the United States $150 billion in lost
> > productivity
> > > > each year, and U.S. businesses foot up to $44 billion of this bill.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> American Mental Health proposes that “many considerations—ranging
> > from
> > > > social justice to economic self-interest—make it imperative that the
> > federal
> > > > government assume a major, focused, coordinated role in mental health
> > > > policy, a role both different and larger than it currently plays.”
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In his state of the state address Idaho Governor “Butch” Otter
> > > > encouraged families to gather around the kitchen table to solve their
> > > > problems rather than relying on “soul-crushing” state and federal
> > programs
> > > > to help them.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Even the strongest families are helpless in the face of the
> > challenges
> > > > posed by the Jared Loughners of the nation. Even the wisest fathers and
> > > > mothers on limited Idaho budgets must admit that government subsidized
> > > > mental health is the only way their troubled children are going to get
> > the
> > > > help they need.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gov. Otter is not calling for cuts in Health and Welfare in his
> > FY12
> > > > budget, but the department has suffered a 21 percent reduction over the
> > past
> > > > three years.  In mental health alone 49 positions have been eliminated
> > in
> > > > the adult and youth divisions.  In 2009 a Pocatello man, who had been
> > > > removed from a mental health program, shot and wounded a man near his
> > home.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When I travel to India it is depressing to see so many beggars on
> > the
> > > > streets and so many people that are obviously mentally ill.  The US
> > > > Conference of Mayors estimates that 40 percent of America’s 1.6 million
> > > > homeless people are mentally ill.  This is a national disgrace and an
> > > > international embarrassment.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> No amount of Otter “table talk” is going to solve these basic
> > social
> > > > and psychological problems. Far too many souls have already been
> > crushed and
> > > > fallen through the huge holes in America’s social safety net.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Nick Gier taught philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31
> > years.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
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