[Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

[Dan Carscallen]

And from that site:

"The National Firearms Act

 Since 1934 the Federal Government has regulated the ownership of machine
guns and several other types of weapons. 

The National Firearms Act of 1934 provides for the registration, and the
taxing of the transfer, of a class of weapons described as NFA Title 2
weapons (sometimes referred to as "Class 3 weapons"). These include machine
guns, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, silencers (also known
as suppressors) and also a class of weapons known as "Any Other Weapon"
(AOW). An example of an AOW is, but not limited to, a smooth barreled pistol
or a short barreled combination gun.

 The transfer tax on machine guns, short barreled rifles, short barreled
shotguns, and suppressors is $200. The transfer tax on AOWs is $5. This
transfer tax is a one time only tax and not an annual tax. Each time an NFA
weapon changes hands, the tax is charged.

 The paperwork required for the transfer of an NFA weapon consists of an
application form with the applicant's photograph attached and a fingerprint
card. These are submitted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in
duplicate along with the transfer tax. The finger print cards are forwarded
to the FBI for a background check; not very different from a background
check that would be performed for a "Secret Level" security clearance. The
background check and transfer process takes about 3 months or so depending
on the examiners' work load.

 One copy of the approved application is sent back to the dealer (or seller
of the weapon). The dealer contacts the buyer and makes the physical
transfer of the weapon at that time. The approved application stays with the
weapon and is proof that the buyer has paid the transfer tax. The original
should be stored in a safe place and a photocopy carried with the weapon
should the legality of the NFA weapon be questioned by law enforcement
officers.

 The new manufacture of machine guns or the conversion of semi auto weapons
to full auto weapons that are transferable to individuals has been
prohibited since May 19, 1986. This means that all transferable machine guns
that are available for sale to the general public must have been
manufactured and registered prior to May 19, 1986."
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Yes, you can legally own a fully automatic weapon.  But you have to work at
it.  And the ATF will know.

Personally, I don't have the time or inclination, or I would have googled it
myself and contacted them.

Your pal,

DC

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:25 AM
To: Dan Carscallen
Cc: 'vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

How's this for local access?

http://www.gunrunner.com/

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho



On Fri, January 28, 2011 9:14 am, Dan Carscallen wrote:
> A couple things, and I'm by no means an expert:
>
> I have purchased handguns, shotguns, and rifles.  All were reported to 
> the ATF.  They are registered to me with the feds. Or, at least, I 
> would assume the paperwork I filled out, with all kinds of federal 
> language on it, would speak to that.  I don't know the exact 
> paperwork, as it's been almost a year since I last bought something.  
> I do know they'll call you back to the store if you just put an "S" 
> instead of "South" when you live on South Cleveland .
> . . oh yeah, and you have to put "Street" as well.
>
> As far as an AK47 and the purchase of such at a gun show, I can't say 
> that I've ever seen one for sale, and you can't buy a full automatic 
> one anywhere, not legally anyway, or at least not with a lot of 
> paperwork, and a lot of time.  Of course, I've never had the 
> inclination to purchase one, so I can't really speak from experience.  
> I wouldn't mind owning an AR-15, but I don't have that kind of jingle, 
> so I've never pursued it.
>
> But, the gun part of the equation wasn't my point.
>
> Yes, something has to be done, but that something is with regard to 
> mental health care.  Should this Laughner fellow been 
> institutionalized when he was discharged from the service?  Perhaps, 
> but what about his civil rights, his freedom?  Maybe the military 
> shouldn't just discharge someone when they start acting up.  Perhaps 
> they should have some sort of program to help diagnose these folks and 
> help get them on an even keel, rather than what seems like just 
> cutting their losses and kicking them to the curb.  Maybe they do 
> offer such programs, but they could very well be voluntary. I don't 
> know, I wasn't in the military.  Like I said, I'm no expert.
>
> Unless someone has actually committed a crime, I don't think they can 
> be, uh, committed to some sort of treatment program.  Maybe during one 
> of his prior "run-ins with the law" someone should have noticed 
> something.  But, of course, the system is bogged down, departments are 
> understaffed, people are underpaid, and folks fall through the cracks.
>
> I guess, in short, we need to work on sealing the cracks.
>
> Your pal
>
> DC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 8:06 AM
> To: Dan Carscallen; 'vision 2020'
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health
>
> I see what your sayin', Area Man.
>
> But, how, in THE HELL was Laughner sold a gun.  The guy has a 
> well-publicized history loaded with red flags.
>
> He was discharged from the service after being diagnosed with 
> "behavioral issues".  He has had run-ins with the law.
>
> Yet, he was sold a gun.  He killed six people and maimed one for life.
>
> Do you realize that if I were to purchase more than two handguns, my 
> purchases would be reported to ATF (and rightfully so).  HOwver, if I 
> were to purchase more than one rifle, my purchases are not reported to
anybody.
>  Heck, in Idaho rifles are not required to be registered.  I can 
> legally purchase ten (or 20 or 30 or 40 or . . . ) AK-47 assault 
> rifles at a gun show here in Idaho and my purchases would not have too 
> be reported to anybody.  Heck, I wouldn't even have to register any of
them.
>
> Something HAS GOT TO BE DONE!
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, January 28, 2011 7:47 am, Dan Carscallen wrote:
>> Vizzz peeps,
>>
>>
>>
>> We live in a free society.  One of the prices we pay for living here 
>> is that there are some loonballs running around who could snap at any 
>> minute.
>> Should they be?  Probably not, but who is to say when and how these 
>> folks should be rounded up and treated?  Sure, I think all of us can 
>> talk about the guy in our neighborhood that seems a little sketchy, 
>> but what are we supposed to do?  Call the cops and have them haul him 
>> in because he doesn't fit society's norm?  I think there are a lot of 
>> folks, right here on the
>> Vizzz even, that don't necessarily follow the "norm".   But we go along
>> and
>> live our lives in our free society.
>>
>>
>>
>> The media talked to this Jared guy's neighbors, and they said "yes, 
>> he seemed like a nutjob", but what were they to do?  They watched 
>> him, kept their distance, stayed as vigilant as they could.  
>> Unfortunately, he "slipped through the cracks".  Should he have been 
>> prevented from buying a pistol?  Maybe, but in a free society, how?  
>> He wasn't a convicted felon, he answered all the questions properly, 
>> and he paid his money.  It's not a speedy process, no matter who or where
you are.
>> Even with a concealed weapon permit, and a pre-checked background, 
>> it's not quick by any means.
>>
>>
>>
>> This can't be blamed on rhetoric, nor on extremists from either side 
>> of the aisle.  The blame lays solely on a sick man who obviously 
>> needs help.
>> And,
>> perhaps, the "blame" lays on the freedom we enjoy by being citizens 
>> of the United States of America.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your pal
>>
>>
>>
>> DC
>>
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