[Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

[Dan Carscallen]

Rose says in part:

 

"I don't think that Dan meant to leave the impression that he believes  the
"freedom" to own guns was the root cause of the tragedy in Phoenix."

 

You are correct.  I mean freedom in general.  We live in a free society.
You can buy whichever car you can (or can't) afford, you can cross state
lines without needing papers, you can live anywhere in this great land you
choose, shop online, buy locally, burn a flag, give someone the finger,
assemble and demonstrate, march, whatever . . . I may not agree with
whatever it is you do (who the hell would want to live anywhere but here?)
but you have the freedom to do it.  Even if you are mentally ill.  It's a
risk we take as a free society.  Sometimes it bites us in the ass.  All we
can do is learn from that "bite" and try and prevent the next incident,
hopefully without squashing anyone's rights as a citizen.

 

Mind you, from what I've seen of this Laughner fellow, he's a sick and
twisted man, almost bordering on evil.  I'm not defending him by any means,
nor giving him any excuses.  It might not matter one iota if he'd received
the best mental health care or was banned from purchasing firearms.  If not
a gun, it might have been a knife.  Or a car.  Or anything.  If one is
determined, one will find a way.

 

Your pal

 

DC

 

 

 

From: Rosemary Huskey [mailto:donaldrose at cpcinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:24 AM
To: 'Dan Carscallen'; 'vision 2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

 

An interesting background explanation (written with lay people like me in
mind) of the second amendment can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitut
ion. Untreated mentally ill people are found in all cultures/societies.  I
don't think that Dan meant to leave the impression that he believes  the
"freedom" to own guns was the root cause of the tragedy in Phoenix.
However, it does seem likely that the ease with which innocent people can be
shot, rests entirely on the availability of guns in this country.  I am a
gun owner, and I am disgusted beyond measure by the NRA's "control" over
legislators.  What kind of  unfathomable jackass would trade unlimited
access to guns and bullets for campaign support?  It is astonishing to me
how gun rights issues makes super, constitution-loving patriots out of folks
who couldn't intelligently articulate any other section or amendment in the
constitution. Does anyone know how many gun owners - protecting their lives
(not their property which, frankly should not be on par with bodily harm) -
against the villains among us, occur each day?  How does that number compare
to the number of accidental deaths  or gun related murders?  And, while the
vicious rhetoric spewing from Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and
their remarkably stupid and ill-informed female counterpoints, of yeah, I
mean Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann,  and  the profoundly confused Virginia
Foxx - may not drive relatively mentally healthy person to become killers,
those struggling with significant mental illness (with components of severe
paranoia) may, in some degree, be encouraged by these predatory agitators.  

Rose Huskey

 

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Carscallen
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:48 AM
To: 'vision 2020'
Subject: [Vision2020] that Jared guy and mental health

 

Vizzz peeps,

 

We live in a free society.  One of the prices we pay for living here is that
there are some loonballs running around who could snap at any minute.
Should they be?  Probably not, but who is to say when and how these folks
should be rounded up and treated?  Sure, I think all of us can talk about
the guy in our neighborhood that seems a little sketchy, but what are we
supposed to do?  Call the cops and have them haul him in because he doesn't
fit society's norm?  I think there are a lot of folks, right here on the
Vizzz even, that don't necessarily follow the "norm".   But we go along and
live our lives in our free society.

 

The media talked to this Jared guy's neighbors, and they said "yes, he
seemed like a nutjob", but what were they to do?  They watched him, kept
their distance, stayed as vigilant as they could.  Unfortunately, he
"slipped through the cracks".  Should he have been prevented from buying a
pistol?  Maybe, but in a free society, how?  He wasn't a convicted felon, he
answered all the questions properly, and he paid his money.  It's not a
speedy process, no matter who or where you are.  Even with a concealed
weapon permit, and a pre-checked background, it's not quick by any means.  

 

This can't be blamed on rhetoric, nor on extremists from either side of the
aisle.  The blame lays solely on a sick man who obviously needs help.  And,
perhaps, the "blame" lays on the freedom we enjoy by being citizens of the
United States of America.

 

Your pal

 

DC

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