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[Joe Campbell]

I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful for the post! I've had a number
of friends of mine who have made similar comments about Gary as a
businessman. A rather large number, in fact, with stories very similar
to this in all respects.

To be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and I
appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me. Not
once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice on a
few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you look
carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in response to
something that was completely out of line, something different from
the usual insults which are contained in every single response he ever
makes to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused me of being happy
about the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the line.

I've said this before and I'll repeat it. A long time ago Gary and I
shared some offline correspondence for over a week or two. I made a
huge mistake of revealing several things about my personal life and
past history to explain my anger about some of his posts: that I had a
sister who is now dead who was a lesbian; that I spent most of my life
poor and had a constant, irrational fear of loosing my job and
returning to that state of poverty; that for this reason I disliked
people talking about my job in political discussion; etc.

It isn't just that he exploited these and other weaknesses of mine but
in fact shared this private information with several local
conservatives who have been harassing me with those insults ever
since. If you don't believe me, just look carefully at the exchanges
from a few years ago, and look at previous posts about me on RightMind
as well as the Daily News website. It's a matter of record for anyone
who would care to look it up.

It was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over to
WSU and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote back
threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He then
shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context on
RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V, the
original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on the
Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on RightMind
recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of NSA.

So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I have a hard
time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But that's
me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with that.

I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth tables, or the
history of philosophy today and had run into me!

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:
> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and point-counter-point.
>
> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell. We sort of swing the same way in politics
> and opinions. He's also a darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a
> bit, but sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.
>
> I have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him in
> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I seldo (well,
> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say. I had no idea if he was
> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew he was not on my page, and probably
> was in anentirely different book. OK.
>
> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys in my car. The spare key was at
> home. My partner was not. What to do? Call the Locksmith! As I was downtown,
> I went to Gary's Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my
> car, quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the front
> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket just as I
> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the Lockshop so I could pay
> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit card I had cleverly left in my
> handbag in the locked car. I was thanking him all the way, as I had things
> to do, and could still do them!
>
> When Gary saw the card, my name registered with him. He made a comment about
> me posting negatively about him on the V---I said something about not
> remembering saying anything about him personally (though, Goddess knows I
> probably have!). He made me a spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no
> extra charge) and took me back to my car.
>
> We shook hands, said we were glad to meet one another in person, and both
> got on with our day. OK.
>
> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone out there. We can disagree, we
> can be nasty to one another, we can hold radically different opinions. At
> the end of the day, Gary got me into my car, and I owe him some organic
> veggies (at a reasonable price!). We are still a community, win lose or
> draw. Maybe we can stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in a
> while? Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine. Let's just try
> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just because we disagree doesn't
> mean either one of us is evil.....
>
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