[Vision2020] the shooting

[Tom Hansen]

Here's Mr. Crabtree's logic . . .

Judging by his readings and interests, Loughner must be a radical
left-wing socialist.  So, naturally he shoots the only Democrat in his
congressional district.

Right, g?

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

On Tue, January 11, 2011 10:19 am, Joe Campbell wrote:
> Explain to me how Obama has closer ties to Che and communism than Palin.
> Why would you say that?
>
> And I'm not "blaming" anyone but the shooter.
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:02 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>> You  have somewhat  of a point in saying that insane people can be
>> influenced to kill someone. What is wrong is in blaming it on the right
>> with out a shred of evidence. The guy was a fan of Che Guavaria(sp) and
>> the Communist Manifesto. It would seem to me you folks are blaming the
>> wrong side. Obama, Biden, Van Jones and a host of other democrats  have
>> also made inflammatory statement. A lot of military terms are used in
>> ordinary speech and should not be taken literally. If you condemned all
>> rhetoric that might somehow incite someone to violence I would be more
>> impressed. That however would place a severe restriction on what can be
>> said.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:47:04 -0800
>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>>
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> How does the fact that he was insane change the issue?
>>>
>>> If one pays a man to kill another, does he get off if it turns out
>>> that the killer was insane?
>>>
>>> Can I hire an insane man to rob a bank an split the profits? After
>>> all, if he gets caught, I can always say he's insane so I can't be
>>> blamed for anything, right?
>>>
>>> Is anyone allowed to ask any insane person do do whatever they wish
>>> and suffer no consequences if he does it?
>>>
>>> People in positions of political power, like Palin, should not be
>>> creating posters with crosshairs designating their political enemies.
>>> That is over the top, inappropriate, and irresponsible PRECISELY
>>> because there are insane people in the world who might take it
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> What could possibly be wrong with this criticism?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>  On item Item 3.  The media and numerous others have been linking the
>>>> shooting to the right with out a shred of evidence. It has also been
>>>> reported that the Communist manifesto was one of his favorite books.
>>>> Does this mean that the left wing is responsible? No. All of this
>>>> unsubstantiated rhetoric by the media and others is irresponsible. He
>>>> was a nut job, pure and simple. End of story.
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:51:25 -0800
>>>> To: Gary Crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>>>>
>>>>> Gary there are folks throwing out crazy rightwing rhetoric who have
>>>>> TV shows, who run for governmental office.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are nuts on both sides, no doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there aren't TV and radio hosts from the left, let alone
>>>>> candidates running for office, who are openly saying the same things
>>>>> the nuts are saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor are there leftwing schools using violent rhetoric in their ad
>>>>> campaigns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the unstable left wing over the top rhetoric of rabid animal
>>>>>> rights groups, earth firsters, truthers, and the endlessly droning
>>>>>> Bush lied/people died crowd don't? Lumping Courtney, Wilson, the tea
>>>>>> party folks, and conservatives in general as a group with even a
>>>>>> smattering of responsibility for this tragedy is over the top by any
>>>>>> standard. Even yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: keely emerinemix
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:23 PM
>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the interest of transparency, I want to say that I've heard
>>>>>> indirectly from Dale Courtney and directly from Douglas Wilson, both
>>>>>> of whom, not surprisingly, take umbrage at my characterization that
>>>>>> people like them bear some responsibility for things like the
>>>>>> politically motivated shootings in Tucson.  You can look on Dale's
>>>>>> blog, and I won't post Wilson's emails to me without his permission,
>>>>>> but when I take my hits for something I've said or done in public, I
>>>>>> am not afraid to acknowledge those hits in public.  But let's be
>>>>>> clear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not say that Douglas Wilson and Dale Courtney shot anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not say they are accountable for the actions of the man who
>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not say they are guilty in the same way the shooter is, and I
>>>>>> didn't say they specifically, personally encouraged him to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I said was that people who say the kinds of things these two
>>>>>> prominent local Christians have said, and say them in the ugly and
>>>>>> intolerant, public way they've said them, are responsible for the
>>>>>> climate that helps tip unstable, paranoid anti-government types over
>>>>>> the edge.  That doesn't seem too difficult to comprehend, and
>>>>>> certainly wouldn't seem to be too difficult for these two men of
>>>>>> chest to bear.  Frankly, if Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has
>>>>>> concluded that the atmosphere of hatred and abuse swamping the
>>>>>> country these days has incubated actions like the shootings today,
>>>>>> it hardly seems odd that those of us who live in a place where our
>>>>>> neighbors contribute so nakedly to that atmosphere would remark on
>>>>>> their culpability for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>>
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