[Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson

[Andreas Schou]

A radical Islamist was... liberal? And a donor to the Ludwig van Mises
Institute with a blog named after Murray Rothbard?

Have you ever met a liberal?

-- ACS

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> James Jae Lee, John Patrick Bedell, and Nidal Hasan leap immediately to
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> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
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>> Can shootings like this be found coming from both sides? Give an
>> example of a left wing nut who did something similar within the last
>> few years? Try to do it quickly.
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>> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both sides of the spectrum.  If
>>> you go to his YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10),
>>> you'll see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto
>>> under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't expect Tea Party
>>> sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm and Fahrenheit 451.
>>>
>>> They'll trot him out before the cameras soon enough, and he can let us
>>> all know then.  And if he did do it because she voted for the Health
>>> Care bill, then I throw my weight behind you right now in condemning him
>>> for that.  I just have a feeling that this one is going to be stranger
>>> than it looks.
>>>
>>> Paul
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>>> keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>> sorry -- I neglected to mention that the alleged gunman's video on You
>>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry, irrational anti-government stuff
>>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and all of their ilk are as famous for as they
>>>> are for their status as "Christian" ministers.  That got dropped when
>>>> I proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it appears,
>>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at the teat of vicious
>>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they promote.
>>>>
>>>> Enough said, but I think it needed to be.
>>>>
>>>> Keely
>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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>>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:41:01 -0800
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
>>>>
>>>> I've tried a couple of times to send this and it appears to not have
>>>> gone through, but I want to answer Paul:
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your reasonable words.  It's better than I've gotten
>>>> from Courtney on his Right-Mind.us blog.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I would remind you that she had been threatened before as a
>>>> result of her involvement in the Obama healthcare bill.  She is not a
>>>> liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than her record
>>>> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily conservative district
>>>> she represents -- one that's been rife with violent, bigoted rhetoric
>>>> from the Right.  I heard a lot about her from  my father, and even two
>>>> years ago he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine
>>>> from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and irrational
>>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched Religious Right and
>>>> nascent Tea Party folks.  This was political, and even though the
>>>> video posted by the gunman says he's not a Christian, the instances of
>>>> "Christian" right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and
>>>> increasing.
>>>>
>>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al, responsible (do I have to say "and not
>>>> accountable" again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney
>>>> has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible evangelical
>>>> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian politics -- they have
>>>> failed in their mission to preach and model peace, truth, justice, and
>>>> basic kindness in their public pronouncements.  Worse, they have
>>>> fanned the flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,
>>>> religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and carelessness,
>>>> and are committed, judging from their own works, to calling simple
>>>> political disagreement "tyranny" that must be resisted by all
>>>> Christian  men.
>>>>
>>>> You're a good man, and if you disagree with me, you're not evil
>>>> because of it.  But surely you see that this hasn't happened in a
>>>> vacuum, and that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the
>>>> nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and perverts
>>>> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his hatred of the
>>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny" frothing pastor, deserves
>>>> my scorn at minimum, and my indictment in all truth.
>>>>
>>>> Keely
>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>
>>>> Keely
>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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