[Vision2020] Obama to Return Manhattan to Native Americans?

Tue Jan 4 11:27:01 PST 2011

>
> here are lots of hysteria put out by the far right and far left.
>

That's a false equivalency.  There are WAY more crazies and "pushers of
hysteria" on the right than there are the left.  And on the left, no one
takes those people seriously.  On the right, tthose people are more numerous
and are taken more seriously by the "mainstream" right.

-Reggie

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> I don't know that I would put that much stock in what the World Net Daily
> says. Whether  it i serious or not does not matter that much There are lots
> of hysteria put out by the far right and far left. In any event it is a
> slippery slope if you start to give areas back to people who may some time
> in the past have resided there. Where do you stop? The Sioux took the
> Dakotas from other Indians. They were in Minnesota before that. How far back
> do you go? The same reasoning goes for Israel. Regardless of the wisdom of
> the 1948 establishment of Israel is there now and should stay there. Any
> agreements should be bases on the Status Quo as it is today. I doubt  that
> Obama or most politicians would be serious about want ing to do so. As far
> as th UN is concerned I would not go along with any thing they do except for
> aid to people who are in distress do to a Natural disaster . A declaration
> by congress is support of Native Americans would probably be fine. It
> depends on how it was wor!
>  ded.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:00:37 -0800
> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Return Manhattan to Native Americans?
>
> > Nope.
> >
> > This is FOR REAL, Roger.
> >
> > The World Net Daily is reporting this, as well.
> >
> >
> http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Native-Americans-Our-New-Overlords-6366/
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > On Mon, January 3, 2011 12:42 pm, lfalen wrote:
> > > Joe, Darrell and Cobert all were making attempts at humor. I suspect
> this
> > > is in the same vain.
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
> > > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:14:45 -0800
> > > To: "Moscow Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Obama to Return Manhattan to Native Americans?
> > >
> > >> The latest right-wing freakout . . .
> > >>
> > >> Courtesy of Talking Points Memo at:
> > >>
> > >>
> http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/latest_right-wing_freak-out_obama_wants_to_give_ma.php
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Latest Right-Wing Freak-Out: Obama Wants To Give Manhattan Back To
> > >> Native
> > >> Americans
> > >>
> > >> The good news is that the right-wing isn't talking about President
> Obama
> > >> being a secret Muslim right now. The bad news is that they're now
> > >> concerned that he's going to use his honorary status as a Crow Tribe
> > >> Indian to return the United States to Native Americans.
> > >>
> > >> The outrage began after the President announced on December 16 that
> the
> > >> U.S. would reverse course and support the United Nations Declaration
> on
> > >> the Rights of Indigenous People. The Declaration was adopted by the
> U.N.
> > >> General Assembly in 2007, but the U.S., under President Bush, opposed
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> "The aspirations it affirms -- including the respect for the
> > >> institutions
> > >> and rich cultures of Native peoples -- are ones we must always seek to
> > >> fulfill," the President said of the Declaration at White House Tribal
> > >> Nations Conference where he announced the reversal. He went on to
> > >> describe
> > >> efforts to improve health care, education, and unemployment rates in
> > >> tribal areas.
> > >>
> > >> "While the declaration is not legally binding, it carries considerable
> > >> moral and political force," the State Department wrote of the
> > >> Declaration,
> > >> "and complements the President's ongoing efforts to address historical
> > >> inequities faced by indigenous communities in the United States."
> > >>
> > >> Despite this, the right has seized onto some of the language to attack
> > >> the
> > >> President -- including Article 26, which says:
> > >>
> > >> "1. Indigenous peoples have the right to the lands, territories and
> > >> resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise
> > >> used
> > >> or acquired.
> > >>
> > >> 2. Indigenous peoples have the right to own, use, develop and control
> > >> the
> > >> lands, territories and resources that they possess by reason of
> > >> traditional ownership or other traditional occupation or use, as well
> as
> > >> those which they have otherwise acquired.
> > >>
> > >> 3. States shall give legal recognition and protection to these lands,
> > >> territories and resources. Such recognition shall be conducted with
> due
> > >> respect to the customs, traditions and land tenure systems of the
> > >> indigenous peoples concerned.Obama was adopted as an honorary member
> of
> > >> the Crow tribe during the 2008 campaign, and was even given the name
> > >> "One
> > >> who helps people throughout the land." Most of the outrage lobbed at
> the
> > >> President in the wake of the announcement, naturally, references that
> > >> fact."
> > >>
> > >> Last week, the "Director of Issues Analysis" for the Christian
> > >> conservative American Family Association, Brian Fischer, wrote a blog
> > >> post
> > >> claiming that "President Obama wants to give the entire land mass of
> the
> > >> United States of America back to the Indians. He wants Indian tribes
> to
> > >> be
> > >> our new overlords."
> > >>
> > >> "Perhaps he figures that, as an adopted Crow Indian, he will be the
> new
> > >> chief over this revived Indian empire," Fischer wrote. "But for the
> > >> other
> > >> 312 million of us, I think we'll settle for our constitutional 'We the
> > >> people' form of government, thank you very much."
> > >>
> > >> Yesterday, the right-wing blog World Net Daily took it a step further
> in
> > >> a
> > >> post called "Obama to give Manhattan back to Native Americans?
> President
> > >> believes nation can spare some sovereignty." The article describes how
> > >> "President Obama is voicing support for a U.N. resolution that could
> > >> accomplish something as radical as relinquishing some U.S. sovereignty
> > >> and
> > >> opening a path for the return of ancient tribal lands to American
> > >> Indians,
> > >> including even parts of Manhattan."
> > >>
> > >> The article continues: "Obama's interest is personal. He noted during
> > >> the
> > >> 2008 presidential campaign he was officially adopted by the Crow
> Nation,
> > >> an Indian tribe in Montana, and he was given an Indian name."
> > >>
> > >> Joseph Farah, the founder and editor of WND, followed up on the
> article
> > >> today with a facetious column called "I'll Take Manhattan." He writes:
> > >> "Truth be told, I have a fair amount of Indian heritage on my mother's
> > >> side. So this proposed redistribution of wealth is welcome news for
> me.
> > >> Where do I apply? I want to return wampum for Manhattan."
> > >>
> > >> "Anyway, what do we have to lose?" he writes. "The U.S. economy is in
> > >> shambles. What harm could it do to redistribute lands based on nothing
> > >> more than the racial and ethnic heritage of Americans?"
> > >>
> > >> "I suspect Obama himself plans to cash in on this action," he wrote.
> > >>
> > >> Former Ambassador John Bolton was more concerned that the resolution
> > >> would
> > >> result in new legal claims. "It's a kind of feel-good document that
> has
> > >> so
> > >> many unclear phrases in it that nobody's really sure what it means
> when
> > >> you agree to it," he told FoxNews.com. "It's wrong and potentially
> > >> dangerous to sign onto a document that you don't fully understand the
> > >> implications of."
> > >>
> > >> "Hopefully most judges will say it's not binding," Bolton added. "But
> > >> there are enough judges who couldn't care less about strictly applying
> > >> the
> > >> law."
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >>
> > >> Tom Hansen
> > >> Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> > >> change
> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >>
> > >> - Unknown
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> >
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