[Vision2020] 2011 Military Post of the Year

[Joe Campbell]

Well you're entitled to your opinion and you won't find me bashing your
candidate for mpoty! I agree with Tom that the military's acceptance of
gays and lesbians is the most important military event this year. I just
don't think there is much point in bashing folks just because they hold a
different opinion about something so subjective as mpoty.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Joe,
>
> I could care less about two people kissing, sexual orrientation asside. I
> am not a gay person myself, but have no problem with it. It's really none
> of my business. Please don't read too far into my statements. I just
> disagree that two female sailors is "military picture of the year". If the
> picture is "mpoty" than why? Shouldn't the numerous other pictures that
> depict overall feelings of these two shitty wars be considered. American
> flags being handed to children of their dead parents depict the war better
> that two people kissing.
>
> I'm not sure how video games got brought up into the conversation
> either. I was stating that picture of the year to me is, attending Nicanor
> Amper IV funeral in SF this July. Nic died in Afghanistan July 5. I had the
> pleasure of serving with him in the Marines. The funeral had a broad
> spectrum of people. First Nic was an African American man married to a
> white women. He left behind two wonderful children. The crowd varied from
> the 10 Marines and army attendees to the freedom riders(those guys that
> keep that wacky church away), to a couple of gay couples, to some tough
> looking tattoed guys, to just about every type of people the USA has. In
> other words Americans. The funeral led by a huge cop escort and the freedom
> riders convoyed through SF to arrive at SF military memorial. The arrival
> to this cemetary was breathtaking to say the least. Thousands upon
> thousands of tightly and perfectly alligned tombstones layed upon the, in
> my estimate, 40-60 acre plot. The flag was half mass for Nic.
>
> The picture that is burned into my memory is the two children tossing
> flowers onto Nic's casket as he was lowered into the ground. Not a dry eye
> around.
>
> I really could give two you know whats about people kissing. I care about
> the people being affected over there. That's it guys. No hidden agendas
> with me.
>
> Take care
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:01:26 -0800
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 2011 Military Post of the Year
>
>
> In response to Tom Hansen's post, Matt Decker writes:
>
> "What's the piont Mr. Hansen? That affection can't be displayed? Picture of the year for me is sitting next to the two crying children of their dad who just got blown in half by an RPG. What do I know though."
>
> But I don't think that Tom Hansen's point had anything to do with NOT displaying affection. And I want to use your example in your response to make a broader point.
>
> I know several persons who think that "first person shooter games" -- games in which players shoot other persons -- are immoral. Clearly you disagree. Suppose someone not only tried to make such games illegal but actually succeeded in making them illegal. What would your view about said persons be?
>
> Now you might think that you've got popular opinion on your side but that is not obvious. And even if you do, it is beside the point.
>
> The point is, Should your rights be held sway to popular opinion? Or should what games you play or who you marry be up to you?
>
> I don't give a rip that you are disgusted by the gay life-style anymore than you give a rip that I'm disgusted by playing games in which kids kill their fathers. And I'm as gay as you are.
>
> Tom's celebration was about the military finally catching on to the views of our founding fathers: state rights over individual rights go only so far and people are best to keep their morals to themselves.
>
> Be disgusted. I have no problem with that. Just have the decency to not use the law to influence your own personal opinions.
>
>
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