[Vision2020] Say What?

Wed Aug 24 07:03:08 PDT 2011

Counting consensus is a political game.  Science is not a democracy.  
The earths climate is a complicated and chaotic system.  Eventually, 
we'll have a pretty good (as in useful) understanding of it as a big 
picture.  Right now, we're in a period of rapid progression but we are a 
long way from having a handle on it.  Just my opinion.

This desire to say we've got it pretty much pinned down is purely 
political, and political influence and interference will only slow down 
the process of learning.  Polling scientists doesn't help the science.  
And political hacks like Perry using skeptics to make political points 
is just as bad.  Just step back and let the science happen.

In the meantime, there are plenty of reasons to get rid of our oil 
addiction and plenty of solutions that don't involve sketchy carbon 
credit schemes and other scams-in-the-making.  Why don't we all meet in 
the middle and work it from that angle?  If it were me, I'd put more 
money into nuclear technology research (thorium reactors, safer reactor 
designs, etc), smart grid technology, and large-scale battery technology 
to even out the spikes in the supply from other alternative energy 
solutions.

Paul

On 08/23/2011 01:03 PM, Art Deco wrote:
> Maybe I have missed it, but Perry has yet to name these "daily coming 
> forward" scientists who question global warming.  I wonder if the 
> media has even asked him to.  Isn't it about time they did?
> Suppose there are such scientists.  How do their numbers compare to 
> those newly coming forward to endorse the fact of global warming?
> w.
>
> *From:* Ted Moffett <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:55 AM
> *To:* Tom Hansen <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20093535-503544.html
>
> August 17, 2011
> By Brian Montopoli
>
> Rick Perry suggests global warming is a hoax
>
> Perry said scientists are coming forward almost daily to question "the
> original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the
> climate to change." He said the climate is changing but that it has
> been changing "ever since the earth was formed."
> -------------------------------
> Rick Perry's recent comments on global warming (more lower down) are
> so misinformed, it is scary. Many scientists with relevant expertise
> with no corruption involved are coming forward to call for action to
> address human impacts on climate, not to question whether there is
> credible scientific evidence human impacts are profound.  Perry must
> be living in a bubble or in denial.
>
> Consider the following from the Union of Concerned Scientists:
>
> http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/big_picture_solutions/scientists-and-economists.html
>
> Scientists and Economists' Call to Action
>
> The U.S. Scientists and Economists' Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in
> Greenhouse Gas Emissions is a call to our nation's leaders to require
> immediate, deep reductions in heat-trapping emissions that cause
> global warming. The statement is endorsed by more than 2,000
> scientists and economists with expertise relevant to our understanding
> of the scientific and economic dimensions of climate change, its
> impacts, and solutions. This marks the first time leading U.S.
> scientists and economists have joined together to make such an appeal.
>
> The statement was released in March 2010 and delivered to every member
> of Congress, but is still open to new signatures. Endorsers from ten
> states personally delivered the letter to their Senators and
> Representatives, just as Congress is considering climate and energy
> legislation.
>
> This unprecedented list of signatories includes eight Nobel Prize
> winners in science or economics, 32 members of the National Academy of
> Sciences, 10 members of the National Academy of Engineering, 11
> recipients of the MacArthur Fellowship, three National Medal of
> Science recipients, and more than 100 members of the Intergovernmental
> Panel on Climate Change, which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize.
> -------------------------
> http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/
>
> Global Warming
>
> The Earth is warming and human activity is the primary cause. Climate
> disruptions put our food and water supply at risk, endanger our
> health, jeopardize our national security, and threaten other basic
> human needs. Some impacts—such as record high temperatures, melting
> glaciers, and severe flooding and droughts—are already becoming
> increasingly common across the country and around the world. So far,
> our national leaders are failing to act quickly to reduce
> heat-trapping emissions
> --------------------------
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20093535-503544.html
>
> August 17, 2011
>
> Rick Perry suggests global warming is a hoax
>
> By Brian Montopoli
>
> Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry said Wednesday morning
> that he does not believe in global warming science and suggested it is
> grounded in scientists manipulating data for financial gain.
>
> The Texas governor was appearing at a New Hampshire breakfast event
> with business leaders Wednesday morning when he said "there are a
> substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that
> they will have dollars rolling into their projects."
>
> Perry said scientists are coming forward almost daily to question "the
> original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the
> climate to change." He said the climate is changing but that it has
> been changing "ever since the earth was formed."
>
> Perry added that "the issue of global warming has been politicized,"
> and argued that America should not spend billions of dollars
> addressing "a scientific theory that has not been proven, and from my
> perspective is more and more being put into question."
> ------------------------------------------
> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
>
> On 8/23/11, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com 
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> > "Listen, America’s gone a long way from the standpoint of civil 
> rights and
> > thank God we have. I mean we’ve gone from a country that made great
> > strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that.
> > And as we go forward, America needs to be about freedom. It needs to be
> > about freedom from overtaxation, freedom from over-litigation, freedom
> > from over-regulation. And Americans regardless of what their cultural or
> > ethnic background is they need to know that they can come to America and
> > you got a chance to have any dream come true because the economic 
> climate
> > is gonna be improved."
> >
> > - Republican presidential candidate (and Texas governor) Rick Perry at a
> > rally in Rock Hill, South Carolina paying tribute to the Martin Luther
> > King Jr. memorial.
> >
> > 
> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/22/301253/rick-perry-compares-civil-rights-movement-to-gop-fight-for-lower-corporate-taxes/
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to 
> change
> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >
> > - Author Unknown
> >
> >
>
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