[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

Wed Oct 13 09:29:10 PDT 2010

Sue 
Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what he said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no more reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be an exact quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if became politically expediant to do so. I do not know any thing  about what is going on at Freeze church, so will not comment on it, other than to say that I do not hold any thing against any religion that in general follows the goden rule. I think that it is fine to preach hate the sin, love the sinner. Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also tolerance are fine. It they advocate action against those they disagree with then they are wrong.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Roger,
> 
> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from Wright and 
> repudiated what Wright said.  I think that's what folks are asking of 
> members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a member of that 
> congregation.  It is certainly a legitimate position to take when one says 
> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent.     I've 
> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the Freeze Church 
> website.  Frankly, I'm appalled.  In the first place he seems not to care 
> he's violating Federal law when he promotes a candidate from the pulpit.  He 
> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as not a 
> true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.  His biblical 
> tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others should either be 
> repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or those church members can 
> logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr, their arrogant pastor.
> 
> Sue Hovey
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> 
> > Rose
> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd Knerr, but 
> > do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am not a 
> > Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things that 
> > you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original tenets 
> > of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them 
> > today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned about 
> > Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >
> >> Dear Roger,
> >>
> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah County I
> >> bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you forward
> >> this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee and Mr.
> >> Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing 
> >> interest
> >> in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please copy 
> >> him
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had many LDS
> >> friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr. Bouma, 
> >> if
> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of his
> >> pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in 
> >> agreement
> >> with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of thoughtful
> >> Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he won't 
> >> be,
> >> how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS?  Do you
> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
> >>
> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will be of
> >> interest to many 2020 followers.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
> >>
> >> Rose Huskey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >>
> >> Freeze Community Church,
> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
> >>
> >> 08/29/2010
> >>
> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
> >>
> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
> >> ader=&button=buttons1
> >>
> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about false
> >> religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event that
> >> took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some of 
> >> you
> >> for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in Washington 
> >> DC
> >> yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as the
> >> infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to God and
> >> His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, a
> >> Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah Palin
> >> stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
> >>
> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with him on 
> >> the
> >> Stage.
> >>
> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
> >>
> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little information on
> >> Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back America. 
> >> The
> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born of a
> >> human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents gave 
> >> him
> >> the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this star,
> >> "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he was
> >> elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called 
> >> "Earth."
> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All of the
> >> gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of 
> >> "Elohim's"
> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
> >>
> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, that
> >> Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen.  Lucifer was 
> >> so
> >> angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go to 
> >> earth
> >> with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
> >>
> >> These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle 
> >> between
> >> Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the 
> >> Mormon
> >> explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who supported
> >> Jesus would be born with white skin.
> >>
> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot Adam and
> >> Eve.
> >>
> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin Mary, 
> >> who
> >> begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons teach 
> >> that
> >> Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and fathered many
> >> children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came to the
> >> Americas and evangelized the Indians.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the Mormon
> >> religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that you
> >> serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the number 
> >> of
> >> Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the 
> >> Constitution
> >> of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it even 
> >> above
> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to 
> >> protect
> >> that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and the
> >> preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon church.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day will 
> >> come
> >> when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would guess 
> >> that
> >> 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in D.C. 
> >> would
> >> call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America today 
> >> is
> >> in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's 
> >> nothing
> >> new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against the true
> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He has 
> >> been
> >> sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus says 
> >> that
> >> in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not be one 
> >> of
> >> them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it doesn't 
> >> make
> >> any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more than I 
> >> can
> >> take."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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