[Vision2020] Pres mans-up
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 04:55:37 PDT 2010
I'm reading this again and maybe I misunderstood your point. Is your point that since the local newspaper is a vehicle for local Republicans during election years and failed to ever note Ike Young's crazy father's offensive posts about Democrats = Communists that it makes it OK and we should ignore the fact that he planned to go to Boise to serve the party not the people? Is your point that when you have the local press in your pocket (and kissing your behind) that you can do whatever the heck you want?
On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:18 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> The father of a local Republican candidate vs. The President. You're right, strikes me as being about equal in throw weight. I'm guessing that this local father, who ever it is you're talking about, was receiving major media coverage on an hour by hour basis. Perhaps you'd care to provide a cite to the radio, television, or newspaper coverage of local daddy's daily disparagement? And are you really going to try to suggest that Republican leadership in congress, etc. WAS NOT hostile toward Obama over his first two years in office? That they didn't do whatever the could to stall legislation and maintain the recession so they could take over in the midterm elections? Holy crap!
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> From: Joe Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:13 PM
> To: Gary Crabtree
> Cc: keely emerinemix ; <vpschwaller at gmail.com> ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
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> You write: "Your paragon of masculine virtue had absolutely no need to even acknowledge their presence other than to taunt them as the source of all ills ..."
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> For crying out loud, local Republicans ran a candidate whose father called Democrats "communists" on a daily basis and neither you nor any of your friends said a damn thing. I cannot imagine a Democrat getting away with that crap. So please save your lectures about intolerance and hostility among progressives. Obama will do more with Republican leadership than your stonewalling Republican leadership ever did with him.
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> On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:47 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
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>> Reading a little much into a subject line aren’t we?
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>> I'm a little curious as to how daunting you imagine "facing down an unremittingly hostile GOP in his first half-term." is likely to have been. Your paragon of masculine virtue had absolutely no need to even acknowledge their presence other than to taunt them as the source of all ills, castigate them as "enemies" and consign them to "the back of the bus." The cold hard facts of the matter are that the president had a veto proof, filibuster proof majority and could do as he pleased without so much as a Republican by your leave. The only disappointments to be suffered were at the hands of other democrats.
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>> From: keely emerinemix
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:47 PM
>> To: vpschwaller at gmail.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
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>> Gee, Glenndale, with talk of the President's "manning up," you sound as rough and tumble as Christine O'Donnell, Sarah Palin, and Sharron Angle. I suppose that makes you da man . . . or da men. Good for you.
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>> It looks like you're interpreting the Huffington Post article as an introduction to Obama 2.0, Manlier Version (Chest Hair Sold Separately). I guess, then, that I'd be correct in concluding that you think that some sort of cowardice, softness, and limp-wristedness is behind Obama's difficulties over the past two years. Care to confirm, with examples? Because I think a lot of us who have had our disappointments with him haven't really ever given due consideration to any lack of bravery or toughness on his part. I know you know a lot about bravery and toughness, so I'm hoping you can shed some light on this for us. I know you wouldn't hold a guy's intellect, education, or bearing against him -- you've probably met a few manly Classicists in your life -- so I'm really interested in hearing how he hasn't "manned up" while facing down an unremittingly hostile GOP in his first half-term.
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>> It's true that Barack Obama doesn't taunt our enemies on a destroyer in wartime while wearing a crotch-enhancing flightsuit, but I just guess I always assumed he was "man enough" for the job. Since I know we can agree that people who hide behind pseudonyms or anonymity aren't terribly gutsy, I await your analysis.
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>> > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:57:58 -0700
>> > From: vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
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>> > >From the Huffington Post:
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>> > A chastened President Barack Obama signaled a willingness to
>> > compromise with Republicans on tax cuts and energy policy Wednesday,
>> > one day after his party lost control of the House and suffered deep
>> > Senate losses in midterm elections.
>> >
>> > Obama ruefully called the Republican victories "a shellacking" and
>> > acknowledged that his own connection with the public had frayed.
>> >
>> > At a White House news conference, the president said that when
>> > Congress returns, "my goal is to make sure we don't have a huge spike
>> > in taxes for middle class families." He made no mention of his
>> > campaign-long insistence that tax cuts be permitted to expire on
>> > upper-income families, a position he said would avoid swelling the
>> > deficit but put him in conflict with Republicans.
>> >
>> > He also virtually abandoned his legislation – hopelessly stalled in
>> > the Senate – featuring economic incentives to reduce carbon emissions
>> > from power plants, vehicles and other sources.
>> >
>> > "I'm going to be looking for other means of addressing this problem,"
>> > he said. "Cap and trade was just one way of skinning the cat," he
>> > said, strongly implying there will be others.
>> >
>> > In the campaign, Republicans slammed the bill as a "national energy
>> > tax" and jobs killer, and numerous Democrats sought to emphasize their
>> > opposition to the measure during their own re-election races.
>> >
>> > The president opened his post-election news conference by saying
>> > voters who felt frustrated by the sluggish pace of economic recovery
>> > had dictated the Republican takeover in the House.
>> >
>> > Asked to reflect on the returns, he said, "I feel bad," adding that
>> > many Democrats who went down to defeat had done so knowing they risked
>> > their careers to support his agenda of economic stimulus legislation
>> > and a landmark health care bill. He blamed himself, in part.
>> >
>> > "The relationship that I've had with the American people is one that
>> > built slowly, peaked at this incredible high, and then during the
>> > course of the last two years, as we've together gone through some very
>> > difficult times, has gotten rockier and tougher," Obama said.
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