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[Ted Moffett]

You might discover the military think tank analysis, from the Project for
the New American Century website, offered below, revealing.  It offers
insights into the neo-con Middle East military strategy implemented by the
Bush administration.  It mentions that addressing the threat from Iran is a
primary goal.  Iran is the most powerful anti-US Islamic nation that poses a
long term threat to US interests, which of course include assuring Middle
East oil supplies cannot be used as an economic weapon.  The plans to expand
US military power in the Middle East were well formulated before 9/11:

"Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy,
Forces and Resources for a New Century" September 2000:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

> Garrett,
>
> You actually hit on several of the key points about the conflagration over
> in Iraq.  THE one big item that has never been determined, and you hit on it
> is: "success on that battlefield".
> What is the end state supposed to be? What is success in Iraq?  What is
> victory?   And if we don't know what that is, WHY are we still there?
>
> One of the primary things I was taught at both the Army Command and General
> Staff College and the Marine Corps Command and Staff College is, BEFORE you
> take action, what is the mission?
> If the mission was to toss out Sadam, we accomplished that, time to come
> home. If the mission was an elected government in Iraq, we accomplished
> that, time to come home.
>
> We are bleeding in Iraq, not in tremendous amounts of blood, but
> economically.  If you take a look at all the money that we, the tax payers
> have spent in Iraq after either one of the two key events
> listed above, think of what that could have accomplished in the US!  Would
> have more than rebuilt all the schools in the US. Would have  rebuilt the
> failing infrastructure of roads and bridges.
> Would have paid for a universal health care system.
>
> One of THE key failures for both Iraq and Afghanistan is that we, as a
> nation DID NOT go to war. The military/industrial complex went to war at the
> expense of the people, and are economically
> benefiting from it.
>
> Have you seen any government program for "war bonds" for Iraq or
> Afghanistan? Nope
> is the nation involved in the conflict or is it just the military
> industrial complex?
> Have you seen the manufacturers geared up for war production or is the
> military sucking hind tit for equipment?
> Have you seen the entire population involved with and/or supporting the
> conflict?
> Who ever heard of a nation going into a recession/depression during a war
> that is being conducted properly?
>
>
> And WAR, real war is (or should be) THE last option, but by God, when a
> NATION goes to war, it goes to war and doesn't pussy foot around.  It's up
> to the readers to decide if we have gone to war, or
> what this thing is we've been stuck with.
>
> Just some thoughts
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>   On Mar 17, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Garrett Clevenger wrote:
>
>     Matt asks:
>
> "how Bush/Obama or whomever can ensure success on a battlefield? Aren't all
> battles a gamble, thus the last option? I don't feel Iraq was a total
> failure but one we should have not involved ourselves with."
>
>
> I think the answer to your second question helps answer your first.  The
> Iraq war was not the last option.  We were not being attacked.  They were
> not behind 911.  It turns out they probably didn't have wmds either.
>
> We did not need to invade Iraq, especially considering Afghanastan was
> being neglected.
>
> The whole war was based on false pretenses.  Those who challenged that were
> ridiculed. But the facts were apparent even to those living over there
> having bombs dropped on their heads.
>
> Don't you think it is normal for them to resent a country that propped up
> Saddam, left them hanging during the 90's and then came back, taking control
> of the oil fields before Baghdad?
>
> Don't you think they saw the war machine gearing up under sketchy
> circumstances?
>
> Don't you think having a loved one killed by a US soldier is going to piss
> them off?
>
> Don't you think they heard the religious rhetoric coming from the US
> military and government?
>
> Why would they trust American power?
>
> Why would they all of a sudden get along with each other?
>
> Shock and aweing another people is not the best way to get them to like
> you. From the beginning there were mulitiple reasons why an insurgency would
> develop which would thwart any success.
>
> As soon as you call your war "Infinite Justice" and name your weapons
> "hellfire" missles, you are going to shake the religious hornets nest.
>
> You can't beat that. Fanaticism turns people into suicide bombers.  They
> will always be a threat.
>
> I think you have to walk in the shoes of the people you are fighting.
> Until you understand their motives for hating you, you won't have any option
> but to keep fighting.  And you can't kill them all without causing too much
> damage (death and destruction) that in itself feeds the flame of resentment.
>
> I don't think we can make people over there get along. If they don't have a
> common enemy to hate (the US) they are probably going to keep killing each
> other based on their historical grievences, competition or just to survive.
>
> Saddam kept a lid on the violence that erupted.
>
> The question is how long, how much blood and how much money are going to be
> on our hands until we realized realistically there isn't going to be success
> on that battlefield?
>
> Call me pessimistic, but I don't have much hope for humanity over there.
> Human emotions are raw from lack of love and nourishment.  Their bodies and
> souls are sick. Feeding that with violence will only continue to make those
> people more unhealthy, and thus more likely to resort to their animal
> natures.  I have no idea how to solve that.
>
> Fortunately our own v2020 rivalries aren't at quite the temperature as a
> sunni vs shiite.
>
> But to answer your question, you can't have success on the battlefield if
> the war your fighting is based on lies and the wrong reason, which the Iraq
> war is.
>
> Thanks for requesting my opinion, however long winded and wrong it may
> be...
>
> gclev
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