[Vision2020] Blahg Update
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Mar 17 10:48:42 PDT 2010
Talk about conspiracy theories, what is this crap about Dale being Donovan or Schwaller. I think they are perfectly capable of responding if someone is impersonating them.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:07:53 -0700
To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
> G,
>
> Stop with the lies.
>
> His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him. After
> all, he has the same religion as me: Christian.
>
> It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
> constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and progressives,
> his pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his relationship with a
> group that has ignored the city code and local laws, tried to get
> their politcal opponents fired, smeared feces inside and outside of
> the cars of friends of mine, etc.
>
> That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
> backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who share
> the politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to explain that.
> Why that group if it is based on prejudice?
>
> I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that
> fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you
> too -- once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies!
> Really that's it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs or his.
>
> Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!
>
> Best, Joe
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be him, no comb
> > over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from there to
> > have a fairly agreeable conversation.
> >
> > 2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group that was
> > blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan proudly
> > proclaims) approached me in public while I was with clients/friends/
> > family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less than
> > enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would
> > likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person started
> > carrying on about her hatred for me and sobbed for some sort of
> > absolution I would be desparately swiveling my head around in a
> > paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.
> >
> > 3. People speculate about public figures all the time and in many
> > different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
> > this particular list with regard to various city council members,
> > congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious leaders without
> > the same outpouring of faux concern.
> >
> > To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and find him to
> > be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him with
> > a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively conversation
> > as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort of an evil ogre
> > because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and his politics is
> > cheap theatrics and nothing more.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: keely emerinemix
> > To: Tom Hansen
> > Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
> >
> > Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
> > undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that she'll
> > be running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I think
> > she's done a great job for Latah County.
> >
> > Second, I'd also like to express my disgust at Courtney's tactics in
> > tossing about a rumor like this -- parsing words and managing to
> > continue the snarkiness by generously reminding all of us that only
> > her filing will put to rest the speculation. Shirley has a filing
> > deadline that I'm confident she'll meet; the "speculation" is likely
> > generated and definitely furthered by Courtney, period. She owes
> > him nothing other than the basic decency he is unwilling to show
> > her. I have tried to show the same decency and courtesy to Dale, as
> > one of the examples will demonstrate painfully. But he won't take
> > my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and his blog. Now, I
> > know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular Political Blog, and
> > that does not make him a journalist, someone who, as a professional,
> > would have simply checked with Shirley before printing, in his Most
> > Popular Blog, a rumor that is as callous in regard to her health as
> > it is mean-spirited at the prospect of her political career.
> >
> > So with that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on
> > his part, directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of
> > gross unkindness, disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've
> > rarely seen on the part of any adult of my acquaintance:
> >
> > 1. Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up three years ago this
> > spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his students. I greeted him
> > by name, only to have him say, in front of kids who knew that he was
> > Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't have a comb-over, see?" This
> > was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called him "Comb-Over." For
> > the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he combs his hair over
> > a bald spot. In fact, he has a full head of hair. It covers a
> > curious mental process that would allow him to continue to deny --
> > in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he was who we all knew
> > him to be.
> >
> > 2. Over the past few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I think,
> > would be too much -- referred to my being angry with him about
> > something as "Keely got her panties in a wad." Finally, my husband
> > emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's disrespectful and
> > entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a woman. The back-and-
> > forth that followed consisted of Jeff's telling Dale to knock it
> > off, and Dale's condescending insistence that grammarians and
> > rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom like "Keely got her
> > panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic referent was never
> > actually, truly, a direct, personal reference to that person herself
> > and so there was no reason to get upset . . or is it that the
> > rhetorical allusion is symbolic and thus never literal, which makes
> > it stupid of me to be offended? True, he finally agreed to stop,
> > only because Jeff, as my husband, had asked him to and only after
> > arguing that it was Jeff's problem for not understanding the fine
> > points of rhetoric. I think "head-spinning weaselry" covers it.
> >
> > 3. This last one made me cry. It happened about two years ago at a
> > concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian balladeer Don
> > Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how close to hatred my
> > feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the Lord, I
> > sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which is
> > how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible, because
> > he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog (he
> > acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to catch
> > his email on a down day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show, during
> > intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was beginning to
> > feel as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a sin, not because
> > it offended my standards, but because it offended God's -- and that
> > I would like him, please, to forgive me. Dale's response? He
> > started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over" thing,
> > retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas are
> > obnoxious" thing. I kinda begged him to just hear my apologies, and
> > I remember this well: One, I was in tears, first at my own shame,
> > and then at his obstinance; two, I was determined to not, myself, go
> > the "OK, I'm sorry, but YOU did . . . " route. This one was about
> > how I had sinned by starting to hate him. But I left knowing that
> > the aftermath was all, very sadly, about him. I find that tragic.
> > And, for all it's worth, I don't hate Dale at all and haven't
> > since. I pity him, and I hope to heap coals on his head, as the
> > Bible says, to foster his repentance.
> >
> > There have been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've
> > never said, and he's certainly been less than charitable in his
> > dealings with me since. I think his judgment is sorely lacking, his
> > maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his character not in
> > keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership. There's nothing
> > I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think it's clear
> > that I've tried. His treatment of Shirley Ringo is awful.
> >
> > Keely
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
> > Keely
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
> > > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >
> > > Keely kindly communicates:
> > >
> > > "Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that Dale
> > is
> > > weasel-like in his dealings."
> > >
> > > You're on.
> > >
> > > Seeya at the Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And, you know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder:
> > reporting
> > > > on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do damage
> > to a
> > > > political enemy's re-election.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
> > Dale is
> > > > weasel-like in his dealings.
> > > >
> > > > Keely
> > > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700
> > > >> From: thansen at moscow.com
> > > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
> > > >>
> > > >> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx
> > > >>
> > > >> ----------------------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal Democrat, Rep.
> > Shirley
> > > >> Ringo:
> > > >>
> > > >> - - - - -
> > > >>
> > > >> Visionaries:
> > > >>
> > > >> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in his blog
> > indicating
> > > >> that I would not be running for re-election to the legislature
> > due to
> > > >> health reasons.
> > > >>
> > > >> Starting last October, I had a series of surgical procedures to
> > > >> improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were successful. I
> > > >> have no lingering health problems that would keep me from
> > > >> participating fully in the legislative process.
> > > >>
> > > >> I will file for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.
> > > >> Bill
> > > >> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans
> > to run
> > > >> in a recent news article.
> > > >>
> > > >> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
> > plans to
> > > >> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.
> > > >>
> > > >> Shirley Ringo
> > > >>
> > > >> - - - - -
> > > >>
> > > >> For the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she was
> > n’t
> > > >> running. I said that it was a rumor.
> > > >>
> > > >> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not going
> > to
> > > >> run
> > > >> again because of health reasons. But that Judy Brown will file
> > at the
> > > >> last minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans from
> > > >> putting anyone up to challenge Brown.
> > > >>
> > > >> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.
> > > >>
> > > >> ----------------------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your retraction, dale.
> > > >> Although, judging by your "track record", it isn't anticipated,
> > since
> > > >> rumor has it that you are an immature weasel whose word is no
> > better
> > > >> than
> > > >> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg. But,
> > then
> > > >> again, that is only rumor.
> > > >>
> > > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > >>
> > > >> Tom Hansen
> > > >> Moscow, Idaho
> > > >>
> > > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
> > it to
> > > >> change
> > > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > > >>
> > > >> - Unknown
> > > >>
> > > >>
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