[Vision2020] Blahg Update
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Mon Mar 15 21:41:27 PDT 2010
G,
The myth that a diverse group of people have it in for one and only
one local church because of some kind of prejudice is about as
believable as your mind is open.
I didn't start the comparison with Nazi's. It started when the group
that got rid of the Idaho Aryan Nations camp wrote about your friends.
But the Southern Poverty Law Center must be intolerant as well, right?
It is all one big conspiracy against a small church that never harmed
anyone. That's exactly why I got into philosophy -- because I'm
intolerant of diverse points of view, especially from folks who share
my own religion. You've figured it all out. While you're at it, please
tell me more about that bridge you have for sale in Brooklyn!
You want proof? Take your head out of the sand and look for it. But
I'm not loosing any sleep over the fact that I can't convince you of
anything!
Best, Joe
On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:26 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> My goodness. When it comes to "nasty disposition" I'm going to have
> to bow before your obvious expertise.
>
> I would however, like to see what you have to back up your assertion
> that Donovan, Schwaller, and whoever
> else you might happen to disagree with is in reality the dreaded Mr.
> Courtney. While you're at it, how about
> A little documentation on the perpetrator of the feces incident and
> the name and circumstances of the
> "political opponents" that "they" have had fired. I'm sure that what
> with your stellar reputation and all you
> wouldn't be making accusations that you couldn't document. After
> all, without proof your remarks would fall into
> the category Mrs. Mix was just wailing and gnashing her choppers
> over, dread speculation.
>
> Really enjoyed the uber subtle Hitler comparison though. can't go
> wrong with using a Nazi image when
> attempting to vilify those who make your mouth foam. It's so doggone
> effective, we'll have to see if it catches on.
>
>
> g
>
> From: Joe Campbell
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM
> To: the lockshop
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>
> G,
>
> Stop with the lies.
>
> His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him.
> After all, he has the same religion as me: Christian.
>
> It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
> constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and
> progressives, his pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his
> relationship with a group that has ignored the city code and local
> laws, tried to get their politcal opponents fired, smeared feces
> inside and outside of the cars of friends of mine, etc.
>
> That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
> backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who
> share the politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to
> explain that. Why that group if it is based on prejudice?
>
> I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that
> fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you
> too -- once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies!
> Really that's it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs or his.
>
> Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!
>
> Best, Joe
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop"
> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
>
>> 1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be him, no comb
>> over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from there to
>> have a fairly agreeable conversation.
>>
>> 2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group that was
>> blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan proudly
>> proclaims) approached me in public while I was with clients/friends/
>> family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less than
>> enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would
>> likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person started
>> carrying on about her hatred for me and sobbed for some sort of
>> absolution I would be desparately swiveling my head around in a
>> paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.
>>
>> 3. People speculate about public figures all the time and in many
>> different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
>> this particular list with regard to various city council members,
>> congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious leaders
>> without the same outpouring of faux concern.
>>
>> To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and find him to
>> be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him
>> with a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively
>> conversation as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort
>> of an evil ogre because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and
>> his politics is cheap theatrics and nothing more.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: keely emerinemix
>> To: Tom Hansen
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>
>> Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
>> undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that
>> she'll be running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I
>> think she's done a great job for Latah County.
>>
>> Second, I'd also like to express my disgust at Courtney's tactics
>> in tossing about a rumor like this -- parsing words and managing to
>> continue the snarkiness by generously reminding all of us that only
>> her filing will put to rest the speculation. Shirley has a filing
>> deadline that I'm confident she'll meet; the "speculation" is
>> likely generated and definitely furthered by Courtney, period. She
>> owes him nothing other than the basic decency he is unwilling to
>> show her. I have tried to show the same decency and courtesy to
>> Dale, as one of the examples will demonstrate painfully. But he
>> won't take my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and
>> his blog. Now, I know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular
>> Political Blog, and that does not make him a journalist,
>> someone who, as a professional, would have simply checked with
>> Shirley before printing, in his Most Popular Blog, a rumor that is
>> as callous in regard to her health as it is mean-spirited at the
>> prospect of her political career.
>>
>> So with that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on
>> his part, directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of
>> gross unkindness, disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've
>> rarely seen on the part of any adult of my acquaintance:
>>
>> 1. Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up three years ago this
>> spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his students. I greeted
>> him by name, only to have him say, in front of kids who knew that
>> he was Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't have a comb-over,
>> see?" This was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called him
>> "Comb-Over." For the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he
>> combs his hair over a bald spot. In fact, he has a full head of
>> hair. It covers a curious mental process that would allow him to
>> continue to deny -- in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he
>> was who we all knew him to be.
>>
>> 2. Over the past few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I
>> think, would be too much -- referred to my being angry with him
>> about something as "Keely got her panties in a wad." Finally, my
>> husband emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's disrespectful
>> and entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a woman. The
>> back-and-forth that followed consisted of Jeff's telling Dale to
>> knock it off, and Dale's condescending insistence that grammarians
>> and rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom like "Keely got
>> her panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic referent was
>> never actually, truly, a direct, personal reference to that person
>> herself and so there was no reason to get upset . . or is it that
>> the rhetorical allusion is symbolic and thus never literal, which
>> makes it stupid of me to be offended? True, he finally agreed to
>> stop, only because Jeff, as my husband, had asked him to and only
>> after arguing that it was Jeff's problem for not understanding the
>> fine points of rhetoric. I think "head-spinning weaselry" covers it.
>>
>> 3. This last one made me cry. It happened about two years ago at
>> a concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian balladeer Don
>> Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how close to hatred my
>> feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the Lord, I
>> sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which is
>> how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible,
>> because he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog
>> (he acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to
>> catch his email on a down day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show,
>> during intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was
>> beginning to feel as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a
>> sin, not because it offended my standards, but because it offended
>> God's -- and that I would like him, please, to forgive me. Dale's
>> response? He started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over"
>> thing, retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas
>> are obnoxious" thing. I kinda begged him to just hear my
>> apologies, and I remember this well: One, I was in tears, first at
>> my own shame, and then at his obstinance; two, I was determined to
>> not, myself, go the "OK, I'm sorry, but YOU did . . . " route.
>> This one was about how I had sinned by starting to hate him. But I
>> left knowing that the aftermath was all, very sadly, about him. I
>> find that tragic. And, for all it's worth, I don't hate Dale at
>> all and haven't since. I pity him, and I hope to heap coals on his
>> head, as the Bible says, to foster his repentance.
>>
>> There have been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've
>> never said, and he's certainly been less than charitable in his
>> dealings with me since. I think his judgment is sorely lacking,
>> his maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his character
>> not in keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership. There's
>> nothing I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I
>> think it's clear that I've tried. His treatment of Shirley
>> Ringo is awful.
>>
>> Keely
>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>
>> Keely
>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>> > From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >
>> > Keely kindly communicates:
>> >
>> > "Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>> Dale is
>> > weasel-like in his dealings."
>> >
>> > You're on.
>> >
>> > Seeya at the Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> > >
>> > > And, you know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder:
>> reporting
>> > > on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do
>> damage to a
>> > > political enemy's re-election.
>> > >
>> > > Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>> Dale is
>> > > weasel-like in his dealings.
>> > >
>> > > Keely
>> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700
>> > >> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>> > >>
>> > >> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx
>> > >>
>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>> > >>
>> > >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal Democrat, Rep.
>> Shirley
>> > >> Ringo:
>> > >>
>> > >> - - - - -
>> > >>
>> > >> Visionaries:
>> > >>
>> > >> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in his blog
>> indicating
>> > >> that I would not be running for re-election to the legislature
>> due to
>> > >> health reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> Starting last October, I had a series of surgical
>> procedures to
>> > >> improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were
>> successful. I
>> > >> have no lingering health problems that would keep me from
>> > >> participating fully in the legislative process.
>> > >>
>> > >> I will file for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.
>> > >> Bill
>> > >> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans
>> to run
>> > >> in a recent news article.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
>> plans to
>> > >> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.
>> > >>
>> > >> Shirley Ringo
>> > >>
>> > >> - - - - -
>> > >>
>> > >> For the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she
>> wasn’t
>> > >> running. I said that it was a rumor.
>> > >>
>> > >> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not goi
>> ng to
>> > >> run
>> > >> again because of health reasons. But that Judy Brown will file
>> at the
>> > >> last minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans
>> from
>> > >> putting anyone up to challenge Brown.
>> > >>
>> > >> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.
>> > >>
>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>> > >>
>> > >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your retraction,
>> dale.
>> > >> Although, judging by your "track record", it isn't
>> anticipated, since
>> > >> rumor has it that you are an immature weasel whose word is no
>> better
>> > >> than
>> > >> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg.
>> But, then
>> > >> again, that is only rumor.
>> > >>
>> > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom Hansen
>> > >> Moscow, Idaho
>> > >>
>> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>> it to
>> > >> change
>> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> > >>
>> > >> - Unknown
>> > >>
>> > >>
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