[Vision2020] Teabaggers
Wayne Price
bear at moscow.com
Sat Mar 13 07:43:11 PST 2010
Donovan,
I can't speak for the others you listed, but I do it because I think
you're a horses ass.
Your Friend
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On Mar 13, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Mr. Price,
>
> When Prof. Campbell, you, Rev. Keely, Sgt. Hamster, and Batman,
> attacks me personally or someone else on the list or in our
> community is that called an ad hominem attack too, or is that
> definition reserved for only when I do it in response to someone
> else doing it to me first?
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
> --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>, "Moscow Vision
> 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 5:50 PM
>
> Joe,
>
> Arnie's continued use of ad hominem attacks that have no validity
> are just proof that it doesn't take all kinds, we just have all kinds.
> The good thing is that once he makes these outrageous attacks and
> fractured historical ideas, he shows himself for what he is.
> The readers of his diatribes on here can make up their own minds as
> to what that is.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
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> On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
>> What is pro-slavery about saying it is ALWAYS wrong to buy and KEEP
>> slaves? You need to get away from the Wilson crap rhetoric. You are
>> starting to believe your own lies! Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dr. Joe Campbell,
>>>
>>> Why are you Pro-Slavery? I don't understand. Don't you know
>>> slavery is wrong.
>>> I would think someone with a PhD would know that owning another
>>> person is a grave ill against Humanity.
>>>
>>> It strikes me as a great concern that a Professor at a major
>>> University would be defending the institution of Slavery.
>>>
>>> I understand your obsession and ability to relate to the past, but
>>> slavery is not something I think you should embrace in any form,
>>> shape or manner, much less want to bring back into modern society.
>>>
>>> I pray you will reconsider your pro-slavery, and pro-
>>> segregationist attitude, for the good your own life, and your
>>> students at Washington State University.
>>>
>>> Your Friend,
>>>
>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 3:46 PM
>>>
>>> Nothing sounds mote bigoted than a defense if slavery!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Arnie believes that the Democrats were pro-segregation and the
>>>> Republicans
>>>> were anti-Vietnam back in the 60s and 70s." --Sgt. Hamster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the following Democrats and laws were figments of my
>>>> imagination or perhaps The Hamster believes the KKK was not a
>>>> racist movement.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Crow Laws
>>>> Senator Robert Byrd
>>>> Hugo Black
>>>> Senator Strom Thurmond
>>>> Gov. George Corley Wallace, Jr.
>>>> Senator Ernest Hollings
>>>> Richard Russell, Jr.
>>>> James Eastland
>>>> John Stenni
>>>> Jesse Helms
>>>>
>>>> Recently, Democrats have been better at not being bigoted toward
>>>> Blacks, Gays, Women, and minorities. But that is only a general
>>>> rule, not applicable in every case.
>>>>
>>>> Nixon and Ford ended the Vietnam War, both Republicans. JFK and
>>>> Johnson escalated it. So indeed, the parties have switched
>>>> positions since the 1960s. In fact, many people switched
>>>> political parties after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.
>>>>
>>>> Your Friend,
>>>>
>>>> Donovan Arnold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>>>> To: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >
>>>> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 10:06 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wayne -
>>>>
>>>> To put Arnie into appropriate perspective, here is one of his
>>>> similarly
>>>> profound quotes:
>>>>
>>>> "Both parties are completely different than they were in the
>>>> 1960s and
>>>> 1970s when Democrats were pro-segregation and Republicans were
>>>> anti-war."
>>>>
>>>> - Donovan Arnold (March 5, 2010)
>>>>
>>>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-March/068911.html
>>>>
>>>> That's right, Wayne.
>>>>
>>>> Arnie believes that the Democrats were pro-segregation and the
>>>> Republicans
>>>> were anti-Vietnam back in the 60s and 70s.
>>>>
>>>> It's as if President Johnson's Civil Rights Act of 1964 and
>>>> President
>>>> Nixon's 1968 campaign promise that we would be out of Vietnam by
>>>> the end
>>>> of 1969 (followed five years later with his "Withdrawal With Honor"
>>>> concept of 1974) never happened.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Clearly Dr Donovan, you are correct and the Mount Vernon
>>>> Society ( The
>>>> > folks that OWN Mt. Vernon) are wrong. How could I have been so
>>>> silly
>>>> > to trust what they said and not you?
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.mountvernon.org/learn/meet_george/index.cfm/ss/101/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "George Washington was born into a world in which slavery was
>>>> > accepted. He became a slave owner when his father died in 1743.
>>>> At the
>>>> > age of eleven, he inherited ten slaves and 500 acres of land.
>>>> When he
>>>> > began farming Mount Vernon eleven years later, at the age of
>>>> 22, he
>>>> > had a work force of about 36 slaves. With his marriage to Martha
>>>> > Custis in 1759, 20 of her slaves came to Mount Vernon. After
>>>> their
>>>> > marriage, Washington purchased even more slaves. The slave
>>>> population
>>>> > also increased because the slaves were marrying and raising
>>>> their own
>>>> > families. By 1799, when George Washington died, there were 316
>>>> slaves
>>>> > living on the estate."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Rev. Keely, nobody is defending slavery. Let me say it twice
>>>> so even
>>>> >> you understand, NOBODY is defending slavery. I was just
>>>> explaining
>>>> >> inaccuracies in his (Mr. Price's) posts about Thomas Jefferson
>>>> >> sleeping with his slaves and George Washington being a large
>>>> slave
>>>> >> owner. They are factually incorrect statements.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I forgot, accuracy of the facts was not a concern for you, just
>>>> >> unfounded misguided displays of fake catty emotional outrage,
>>>> Keely
>>>> >> when slandering people on both the local and national level,
>>>> living
>>>> >> and dead.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your Friend,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Donovan Arnold
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>>>> >> To: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com, garrettmc at verizon.net, "Chris
>>>> >> Price" <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:37 PM
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This eloquent defense of slave-owning American Presidents is
>>>> >> something less than heartening. It's almost as if we've heard
>>>> >> similar arguments before from local folks interested in
>>>> convincing
>>>> >> us that, you know, on the whole, slavery wasn't, like, THAT bad,
>>>> >> really.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That George and Thomas are numbered among anti-slavery
>>>> >> abolitionists, as appears to be the contention here, is as
>>>> ludicrous
>>>> >> as it is offensive. They may not have been the absolutely worst
>>>> >> slaveholders ever, but I don't think either man's biographies
>>>> are
>>>> >> testimonies to their egalitarian, Christian, progressive morals.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Keely
>>>> >> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:48:58 -0800
>>>> >> From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
>>>> >> To: garrettmc at verizon.net; bear at moscow.com
>>>> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Wayne,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The tea was tipped overboard not because most people drank it,
>>>> but
>>>> >> because it denied revenue to the British. The average colonists
>>>> >> didn't want to be independent from the British, but they were
>>>> not
>>>> >> happy under them either.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The British government prevented western expansion which
>>>> seriously
>>>> >> hindered the expansion of the economy and the well being of many
>>>> >> western colonists and farmers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thomas Jefferson bought slaves and freed them when they paid
>>>> their
>>>> >> price of purchase off. Many anti-slavery people did this.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thomas Jefferson did not sleep with his slaves, DNA tests from
>>>> his
>>>> >> know relatives prove this. His brother did sleep with Sally
>>>> >> Hemmings, who was the half sister of his wife who passed away
>>>> and
>>>> >> looked a great deal like her. He cared for her greatly and she
>>>> lived
>>>> >> in his house because she was his wife's sister and didn't want
>>>> her
>>>> >> living as a common slave.
>>>> >> George Washington had willed his slaves to be freed upon the
>>>> death
>>>> >> of his wife. Although she freed them earlier because she felt
>>>> >> uncomfortable with all the slaves asking if she was dead yet (a
>>>> >> little humor, but true). Little do people know, but George
>>>> >> Washington did not own many slaves, his wife owned most them,
>>>> she
>>>> >> obtained from her previous husband, Daniel Parke Custis a
>>>> wealthy
>>>> >> plantation farmer, upon his death.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your Friend,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Donovan Arnold
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>>>> >> To: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>
>>>> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 12:52 AM
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Garrett,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> While the Tea Bag movement has hijacked the name, I'm not so
>>>> sure
>>>> >> they even realize what the 1770's movements were all about!
>>>> >> The average colonist was happy being British!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At that time in the colonies, TEA was not the drink of the
>>>> average
>>>> >> (read that as NOT wealthy) colonist. Rather they drank cider,
>>>> >> because they could make
>>>> >> it locally, and could afford it. Ever wonder why real tea
>>>> chests of
>>>> >> the period have a locks on them? Because it was expensive and
>>>> the
>>>> >> rich didn't want the servants to
>>>> >> steal it! The original so called "patriots" were nothing
>>>> more than
>>>> >> a bunch of folks with money trying to avoid taxes. Sound
>>>> familiar?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Same deal with the folks that shot at government troops on
>>>> their way
>>>> >> to and from Lexington and Concord to bring the GOVERNMENT
>>>> owned arms
>>>> >> and powder back
>>>> >> to Boston, so the colonists/traitors/early american terrorists
>>>> >> couldn't use it. Can you imagine today if that happened? Makes
>>>> me
>>>> >> wonder what would happen if the
>>>> >> average citizens marched on the local National Guard armories so
>>>> >> that they could prevent the government from using the arms!
>>>> Think
>>>> >> they would be considered
>>>> >> "patriots"?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have to laugh when I see the fractured history that George
>>>> >> Nethercutt is trying to sell on TV..... Did the boy never read a
>>>> >> history book! I laughed when I saw one about
>>>> >> George Washington being anti-slavery! One of the richest slave
>>>> >> OWNERS in Virginia at the time! And then there is that scion of
>>>> >> colonial america Thomas Jefferson,
>>>> >> he not only owned slaves, but would bed them too! Or was that
>>>> just
>>>> >> for the benefit of the slaves?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Garrett Clevenger wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks, Joe, you summed up well what I've been thinking.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is rather presumptious of the teabaggers to think their "tea
>>>> >> party movement" is anything close to the real deal back when the
>>>> >> colonies were fighting for independence.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The contemporary tea partiers are more like carpetbaggers in
>>>> that
>>>> >> regard, so it seems "teabagger" is a rather appropriate term.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have no idea what the sexual definition of teabagger is and
>>>> don't
>>>> >> really care to so when I say "teabagger" I'm describing "tea
>>>> party"
>>>> >> people who are exploiting the patriotism of the Boston Tea
>>>> Party.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But are we really surprised that people who carry guns in the
>>>> open
>>>> >> to rallies and shout down those who disagree with them would be
>>>> >> anything less than arrogant?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Teabaggers, indeed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Garrett Clevenger
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