[Vision2020] Teabaggers
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Mar 12 11:30:25 PST 2010
I will make some comments after some of your statements.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:01:23 -0800
To: "'Joe Campbell'" philosopher.joe at gmail.com, Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> Hi Joe,
>
> Great to read you again, and thanks for such a cogent post, with which I
> wholeheartedly agree.
>
> Just another comment or two, and a couple or three comments back to Roger.
>
> You wrote:
> "In fact, teabaggers initially called themselves teabaggers!"
>
> Exactly. It was a self-chosen label, unlike the GOP's inclination to call
> all with conscience and who put people above profit "socialists" and
> "communists" and "anti-American" and all that other nonsense.
>
> I suppose it would be fair to say that the teabaggers were FOR their
> self-chosen label before they were against it. How positively GOP of them
> :-)
>
> Perhaps, though, a good compromise would be to refer to them as
> teabaggers-cum-Tea Partiers ;-)
>
> In a separate response to me, Roger wrote:
> "The bulk of them however are for smaller government, freemarkets, and
> adhering to the Constitution."
>
> Really, you need to get OUT more because you are completely out of touch
> with how the movement has . . . evolved. Heck -- I can't even call it an
> evolution because it was defined by wingnuts from the very beginning, I'm
> sorry to say :-(
> I did not say that there were not any wingnuts in the Tea Party. I said that there were some in all movements. I have yet to see you Tom, Nick, or Wayne say anything about the left wing nuts that think that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush Administration. If you buy into that then you are further out on the fringe than anyone in the Tea Party. You seam to think that I am ill informed. It is true that I do not listen to tv new, even Fox. I get my information from the following- Newsweek, U.S. News and World Reports,Newsmax, Reason, American Heritage, American History, Wild West, Natural History, Discover Magazine, Mayo Health Letter, Health News, Archaeology, Kiplinger's Personnel Finance, Money, Scientific American, Nation Geographic, National Review, Skeptical Inquirer, Drug Policy Alliance, Tuffs Health and Nutrition Letter, Citizens Against Government Waste, The Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, National Taxpayers Union, History Channel Magazine, The Ame!
rican
Legion, Worst Pills, Best Pills, FDA Veterinarian, Mind Mood and Memory, University of California Wellness Letter, Judicial Watch, Smithsonian Magazine, Harvard Health Letter, National Trust for Historical Preservation, FAME, FIRE, Parents television Council, AARP, NRA, Institute for Justice. and the Hightower Lowdown( to keep track of what the left wing nuts ar thinking). This last one also puts me on a lot of left wing mailing lists. I occasionally listen to Glenn Beck Laura Ingraham, Neil Boortz, and Jerry Doyle. I think that this makes me as well informed as anyone on the vision.
Roger
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> I'm really sorry, Roger -- you don't get to define the movement according to
> your ideals. I wish you did, though, because this country would be a better
> place if those were the genuine motives of the teabaggers-cum-Tea Partiers.
> Leonard Pits was fairly accurate on his description of the Tea Party member, I few he did not mention were JFK Democrats and those that have been asleep politically. This group does not have well defined political views. They just do not like the big increase in federal spending(simulus and Obamacare). The Palouse Group(Pullman and Moscow)are primarily JFK Democats, those that were politically asleep, NRA types, and Ron Paulers.
> In a response to Nick, Roger also made the comment:
> "What the mainline media says does not confirm anything. they have been
> consistent either in ignoring the Tea Party or downplaying it."
>
> Again, Roger, and I say this with love: you really need to broaden your
> horizons. The Teabaggers-cum-Tea Partiers have been ALL over the news,
> including that embarrassing 9/12 Teabaggers-cum-Tea Partiers attendance
> gross overestimation. Indeed, I would argue that the mainstream media has
> overblown the whole thing. Most likely, the movement is going to implode
> precisely because honest people were initially drawn to a movement that is &
> was from the very beginning grossly overpopulated by wingnuts. Basically,
> it's become a freak show with the likes of lunatics like Tancredo providing
> scary entertainment for the rest of us.
> Like I said they twist it to protray them is as negative a light as possible.- Roger
> In a response to Keely, Roger wrote:
> "There are also a substantial number of Black Americans in the Tea Party."
>
> Who am I going to believe: your statement or my lying eyes? Absent proof
> to the contrary, I'm going to believe what I've seen with my own eyes.
>
> IOW, Roger, put up or shut up. Nick provided statistics from a libertarian
> delegate to the Tea Party Convention that 99.5% of the delegates were WHITE.
> If there are so many "Black Americans" in the Tea Party, why were 99.5% of
> the delegates WHITE? And, of course, there are my own lying eyes that tell
> me there aren't "substantial" numbers of anything but white folks in the Tea
> Party.
> I did not give a number as to how many there were in the Tea Party. There are some. Agian the media is going to down play their involvemnt.- Roger
Nick Callanged me to respond on Libertarians. I do not like the word callange used in that context. It is too close to a dare. I have never responed to a dare and do not intend to now. It is something we should be teaching kids not to do.
I will politly ask you, Tom, NIck, and Wayne to comment on the the nut ball idea that 9/11 was an inside job of the Bush Admisinstration- Roger
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
>
> A few comments on the use of the word teabaggers.
>
> 1/ Nick was not the first person to call folks in the Tea Bag movement
> teabaggers. The term teabagger was a finalist for the New Oxford
> American Dictionarys word of the year. And not for the sex act
> use of the term but for the usage that refers to members of the Tea
> Bag movement as Nick used it. Dictionaries have no political agenda.
> They just register usage. In fact, teabaggers initially called
> themselves teabaggers!
>
> 2/ According to the Urban Dictionary, teabagger has FIVE distinct
> meanings, the FIRST of which is one who carries large bags of
> packaged tea for shipment. Only one of the five meanings has the
> explicit sexual connotation.
>
> 3/ Why does the use of the word teabaggers make folks cringe every
> time they hear it? Im no psychologist but my guess is the term has
> gay connotations and the CONSERVATIVE not libertarian but
> straight-up conservative folks in the tea bag movement are
> homophobic. Maybe there is another reason that the term makes you
> cringe, Dan, but if there is I dont get it. Maybe its just the
> sexuality of the connotation but when my softball teammates call me a
> baller I laugh, I dont cringe.
>
> 4/ Teabaggers pretend to be libertarian but how many of them voted for
> a state constitutional amendment against gay and lesbian marriage?
> Lets face it, once you give the state the right to tell you whom to
> MARRY, youve crossed over to the non-libertarian side of the
> political spectrum. Like Garrett, I applaud much of the teabaggers
> platform, especially the limitation of government intrusion. As Nick
> notes, teabaggers are for economic liberty not freedom from
> government intrusion. And they are not for economic liberty for all.
> Otherwise, why on earth wouldnt they favor gay and lesbian marriages
> so that gays and lesbians can enjoy the same tax benefits as straight
> married couples? This is just standard George Bush, religious-right
> conservatism wearing a new hat. If it were otherwise, it would have
> started long before Obama was elected.
>
> 5/ Dan, as much as I like and respect you, you are a hypocrite, as
> Garrett suggested. You POSTED on Tom Forbes website back when he had
> a tagline that was insulting to academics, like myself. When the
> Christ Church guy held up the sign that said that Linda Paul, Tom
> Lamar, and Aaron Ament were bigots, you told me in an exchange on the
> Daily News blog that the right approach to insulting idiots was to
> ignore them. You even went so far as to openly criticize Toms wife
> and daughter for confronting the Christ Church bigot guy. Dale
> Courtney essentially called all liberals and progressives communists
> in the header of his blog for years a practice that is shared each
> day by Rush and Beck and I never hear a peep from you about that. As
> much as it bothers you to hear the word teabagger, how would you
> like it if folks regularly called you a communist? My brother, my
> father, and my grandfather fought in wars against communists to help
> secure our freedoms and I can tell you I dont like it one bit. Ive
> never heard you condemn the usage of that term in reference to
> liberals and progressives.
>
> Ill tell you what. The next time that Donovan Arnold, or some other
> Christ Church dupe, writes an insulting comment following a post by
> Nick, or Tom, or Keely and you make a similar condemnation of his
> language, Ill apologize for calling you a hypocrite. A slight
> parenthetical remark here is not convincing. Sorry. Back it up with
> action. Please.
>
> 6/ Im going to continue to use teabaggers. It reminds everyone of
> how out of touch the movement is, and how hastily developed it was.
> Anyone who forms a political movement without taking enough time to
> research the alternative connotations of the NAME of their group
> deserves to be reminded of it regularly!
>
> The term is a reminder, also, of how narrow and conservative the true
> aims of the Tea Party are. They are concerned merely with limited
> economic relief for some, not liberty and freedom for all. They dont
> even want to think about gays, let alone afford them equal rights. It
> is faux-libertarianism disguised as the real thing, the government
> telling us whom to marry but giving us tax relief. Yipes! Essentially,
> they are saying that theyre willing to accept the governmental
> suppression of others just as long as they get some tax money back!
> What a perverse libertarian nightmare.
>
> Libertarianism is a tough row to hoe. It entails giving folks the
> right to do things that are against your own personal beliefs, for it
> puts freedom from the state ahead of all other concerns. I am far more
> libertarian than ANY teabagger I know!
>
> Best, Joe
>
>
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