[Vision2020] 2010 Census

[Tom Hansen]

I'd rather be a pop-up target on a rifle range than a census taker (or
ANYBODY, for that matter, with ties to the government) in Boundary County.

Does the phrase "Randy Weaver - Ruby Ridge - August 1992" ring any bells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

Remember that FLDS (Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints) compound
in Texas that drew national attention concerning the children on that
compound.

Well, there is a splinter group of the FLDS organized right ther outside
of Naples, Idaho.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/39696072.html

Any V-peeps interested in going door-to-door in Boundary County for the
census?  I'm sure there are a few vacancies.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> Google "census takers trespass" for an eyefull-there's some real nutters
> out there. I'd think twice about signing up to be a "gum'ent snooper".
> The Boundary County Commissioners discussed this, here's their minutes:
>
>
> Commissioners
> discussed census
> takers and the issue of trespassing. Boundary County has received one
> complaint
> on the issue of census takers and trespassing. Attorney Robinson said
> Bonner
> County has had numerous complaints on this topic. Bonner County's
> Sheriff and
> Board of Commissioners initially said if the property owners had "no
> trespassing" signs, the Sheriff could have had those visitors cited and
> Attorney
> Robinson said you can't do that as there is a federal statute that
> people shall
> cooperate with census workers. The Census Act doesn't say that people
> have the
> right to trespass. Attorney Robinson said he conducted some research and
> there
> are two cases in Idaho and he sent the information to Prosecutor Jack
> Douglas.
> Attorney Robinson said there is no trespass even if there is a "no
> trespassing"
> sign when you approach a person's place, whether it is a respectful
> visitor or
> someone with other legitimate purposes. These are legitimate approaches
> by such
> people as mail carriers, newspapers carriers, census workers, utility
> workers,
> and neighbors or friends. If someone comes to the driveway of a house
> just as a
> friend would, by law that is not a trespass. Attorney Robinson said he
> has heard
> stories of people jumping over fences, checking out outbuildings, etc.
> Commissioner Dinning questioned if a census taker comes to his house and
> knocks
> on his door and he tells them to go away yet they continue to stay, is
> that a
> violation. It was said that people are getting upset about the census
> GIS
> workers. It was said that these workers are pre-census workers. Attorney
> Robinson said if someone says to go away they may be violating the
> federal
> statute as it says you will cooperate. Attorney Robinson informed Chief
> Deputy
> Prosecutor Sarah Jane Hallock that he sent Prosecutor Douglas some Idaho
> cases.
> Attorney Robinson relayed the case numbers to her. Attorney Robinson
> said one of
> the cases includes the language and the various people that someone
> could
> anticipate coming onto properties. Having a GIS reader shouldn't make a
> difference. These census takers have no business running through
> someone's back
> field or buildings, but they can approach the house. Commissioner
> Dinning said
> since the census is next year, how can this be a census worker. Attorney
> Robinson said these people are census workers and his office has checked
> on
> that. They are clearly there on behalf of the census takers, according
> to
> Attorney Robinson.
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow ID USA
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at verizon.net>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:00:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 2010 Census
>
> On Friday 22 January 2010 09:42:17 Art Deco wrote:
>> press.docOur property is posted to keep out a number of pests
>> including hunters, salespeople, missionaries, religious
>> psychopaths, criminals, nosey parkers/porkers, etc.
>>
>> Can a criminal trespass action be brought against census takers who
>> violate the trespassing laws?
>
> I suppose some windmill-tilting lawyer could file such a case, but I
> would not hold much hope for it going very far. Remember that the
> authority for the federal census specified in the US constitution,
> and there are additional federal statutes requiring citizens to
> participate in the census. So a trespassing case against a census
> worker carrying out census taking duties would seem to have a low
> probability of success given the strong federal mandate for the
> census.
>
> On the other hand, if the federal administrative rules under which the
> census is conducted extend guidelines to census workers about which
> practical situations may be excused from that particular census
> worker's visit, that's another matter. In other words, if the feds
> say "We won't push this particular case," that's OK, because it's the
> fed's initiative. But if some citizen decides the feds don't need to
> count anyone at that residence, and the feds do want to count in that
> residence, then the citizen is at a considerable disadvantage.
>
> It may be that there are some citizens who might need, in fact, might
> foolishly prefer, that the individual civilian census worker driving
> a hybrid be replaced by a fully-armored Humvee with half a dozen
> fully-armed special forces personnel, just to get the point across
> that the census data will be collected, whether or not the citizen
> happens to be having a bad-hair day. Fortunately for all of us, there
> are statistically more accurate census estimating techniques that do
> not require such military participation in census-taking, or give the
> opportunity for foolish bravado given such stronger data requests.
>
>
> Ken
>
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