[Vision2020] Why you're not getting anywhere, Ted

[Paul Rumelhart]

OK, but what is the solution that everyone is proposing?  Carbon credits 
and emissions reductions.  If the globe is warming and the results could 
be disastrous and our emissions only factor into it a small amount, then 
we're wasting our money.  We should be concentrating on disaster 
preparedness and forecasting which crops will grow best where as the 
temperatures rise.  We should be mapping the arctic, Greenland, and the 
Antarctic with low-flying planes with radar so we know exactly how much 
ice there is and get some very precise predictions of sea-level rise.  
We should be spending a few million on increasing the global temperature 
stations on land and at sea at different altitudes and in varied 
climates.  We should be investing in sea walls levees and surge control 
mechanisms.  We should be evacuating the populations that are going to 
be hit first and working on moving our populations to higher ground.

Focusing on CO2 is a politicians wet dream, because it's something we 
can control.  However, focusing only on that one cause and not on the 
complete problem is as dangerous as just waiting for it all to happen.

We need better data, and we need a completely open peer review system 
for this one topic because it is potentially so important.  We need to 
be sure not just that the threat is real, but exactly how it will 
manifest itself.  We also need to be sure that no one can hijack the 
system and use it for their own gain.  Let's focus on the science, and 
lets throw our money first at that endeavor.  More instruments, more 
satellites, more scientists funded to independently model the climate.

And while I'm at it, let's get off of oil anyway, because of the Middle 
East, because it's running out, and because it's a pollutant that is 
hazardous to our health.  But let's do it through investments in 
alternative energy and electric cars and not carbon credits.

I would also like a pony.

Paul

Art Deco wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic.  In fact, that in  part 
> is how science progresses --rechecking data experiments etc, and, 
> forming and testing alternative hypotheses.
>  
> When it comes to deciding if action is necessary, how necessary, and 
> what that action should be, then there the matter of highest 
> probability to consider.
>  
> W.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>     *To:* Ron Force <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
>     *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:20 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Why you're not getting anywhere, Ted
>
>     You know, I wouldn't spend so much time trying to defend the
>     skeptical
>     viewpoint if it weren't for the following:
>
>     - Apparent data manipulations such as the hockey stick graph that
>     erases
>     the previously accepted medieval warm period and little ice age in
>     order
>     to show a politically powerful graph.
>
>     - Data chart manipulations such as splicing proxy data and
>     temperature
>     data together in order to make a graph show something that the proxy
>     data didn't show, instead of throwing out the proxy data as unusable
>     because it conflicted with the temperature data.
>
>     - Climate scientists doing back flips to avoid FOIA requests for data
>     and having an adversarial relationship with anyone who has the
>     nerve to
>     question their findings instead of making any and all data freely
>     available to the public.
>
>     - A climate (no pun intended) in which the main stream media has made
>     people who question any part of the AGW-hypothesis out to be flat
>     earthers or holocaust deniers, while promoting the most outlandish
>     doomsday scenarios as if they were unquestionably true.
>
>     - The fact that the climate scientists mentioned above have the
>     ear of
>     the President and control the UN IPCC and have the potential to
>     sink our
>     economy.
>
>     and, lastly,
>
>     - The refusal of AGW-hypothesis proponents to talk about any of the
>     above without using the refrain "please cite a peer reviewed paper",
>     when the peer review process is controlled by these same individuals
>     with political influence and who have threatened in the Climategate
>     emails to manipulate that process if they had to.
>
>     I only look into this deeper because the whole things smells to me of
>     bullshit, and because the more I look into it the more reason I
>     have to
>     believe that most of the current warming is natural and not
>     man-made.  I
>     could easily be wrong, but don't expect me to be shamed into
>     silence any
>     time soon.
>
>     Paul
>
>     Ron Force wrote:
>     > http://www.treelobsters.com/2010/01/118-skeptics-charlatans.html
>     >
>     >
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