[Vision2020] Say What?

Sat Jan 9 13:26:57 PST 2010

I'm very glad, Donovan, that your faith sustains and encourages you, just as mine does.  If it could all be proved scientifically, like life on Mars, for example, we wouldn't need faith, would we?  Good point --

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:40:53 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com; deco at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

If people could manufacture a test to prove God's existence to everyone without any reasonable doubt, we would not need faith in Him, which would negate our entire existence.

The purpose of our existence is to find God and serve Him. This is the only thing that makes me truly happy is to serve Him by helping others. There really is no other point to exist. Existing with no God and focusing instead on selfishness and individual wealth seems like a miserable short nasty existence to me, even if you achieve it to a greater extent than just about everyone else.

Atheists will never convince everyone that God doesn't exist, because God reveals himself to anyone who asks for Him to do so, and many times to those who don't ask. 

And who wants to live in a world where the values of love, acceptance, friendship, destiny, karma, right and wrong, and personal growth are just imaginary concepts. 

Your Friend,

Donovan Arnold

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 9:40 PM

How is Rammell different from the numerous groups that claim that some alleged god is the ultimate author of the particular scriptures they believe? Or that they have the only legitimate interpretation of such scriptures?  How could you test such numerous hypotheses?  

After all, if eternal salvation depends at least in part on believing a particular credo, couldn't an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God made it a lot clearer which one is the correct one?

W. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: keely emerinemix 
To: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Tom Hansen 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

The meeting of prominent businessmen that serves as the context for Rammell's comments featured suggestions that the U.S. Constitution is somehow "divinely inspired," which is what Christians and Jews and Muslims say of their Scriptures.  Presumably Rammell identifies with Christianity; if so, he ought to be ashamed at the thought that God can be co-opted to author a nation's founding documents.

I will be ranting about this later on the blog, but I think the point needs to be made now.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:21:55 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com; thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

Why do people even write down what this guy says? Is it important? If so, to who?

Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 5:02 PM

"To think that we can save the Constitution without God's help when the
government of the United States is corrupt is absurdity. We are in
America's second Revolutionary War to save our freedom, which we paid for
with blood. We need God's help and I'm not ashamed to ask for it."

- Idaho gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammel

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Seeya when I get home, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Newbury Park, California

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
and the Realist adjusts his sails."

- Unknown

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