[Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Sun Feb 28 02:41:04 PST 2010
That's a fair question.
If my religious beliefs harm someone else, in this case the person needing the care, and possibly the employer; then the overriding issue is the potential harm. I agree this can get sticky. Remember the school case in which young jr. high boys were wearing ceremonial knives as a part of their religious garb and the school district policy prohibited carrying knives or other weapons into the school? The knives had the potential to harm, the courts said the school district had not erred in prohibiting them. I agree. Same point, I think.
Sue
From: Donovan Arnold
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:21 PM
To: Moscow Vision 2020 ; Tom Hansen ; Sue Hovey
Cc: gschroed at senate.state.id.us
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience
Sue,
You wrote,
"I would require the signing of a statement in which an employee agreed to provide all services that would ordinarily be offered by an employee working in that capacity. So if you told the truth, I wouldn't hire you, Donovan. The bill states you have to give me notification in advance of the need, so I think I would have reason to fire you if you lied, then later you refused and claimed protection under the provisions of Idaho Code 18-611."
Sue, are you for discrimination on the basis of religious or spiritual beliefs? I cannot see your statement as being anything else but. The law states so as well.
Your Friend,
Donovan Arnold
--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: gschroed at senate.state.id.us
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:59 AM
Donovan,
Such a flip response.....
It seems to me this bill has some serious flaws. Those who claim personhood begins with fertilization will certainly see it from a different perspective than those who do not. Regardless, it seems to me its flaws are more serious than its intentions are benign. I have some observations for its sponsor, but it will probably pass before I get the answers to any of my questions.
1. If one is providing a prescription s/he is killing nothing.
2. I don't see anything in the bill that speaks to having someone else there, "willing and able to do it," as you say, so I believe your premise is somewhat flawed.
3. A great many drugs, which are taken for other purposes, can sometimes cause spontaneous abortions. Should a pharmacist be allowed to refuse to fill those because s/he has reason to think a woman might be pregnant and might be planning to use them as an abortifacient? The law certainly appears to allow that in Section (2) which is crystal clear: "No health care professional shall be required to provide any health care service that violates his or her conscience."
4. Regarding subsection six: If, in an emergency, might a health care professional kill a mother in order to save a newborn? It reads: "Shall provide treatment and care," but it doesn't specify to whom, or whether that care would have to be the kind the patient's doctor ordered.
5. Should this bill pass, If I were an employer, on the application for employment, I would require the signing of a statement in which an employee agreed to provide all services that would ordinarily be offered by an employee working in that capacity. So if you told the truth, I wouldn't hire you, Donovan. The bill states you have to give me notification in advance of the need, so I think I would have reason to fire you if you lied, then later you refused and claimed protection under the provisions of Idaho Code 18-611.
6. Interestingly, Idaho Code 18-604 doesn't identify abortifacients so much as it defines items which are not. So it certainly doesn't serve as much of a delimiter.
7. Two other issues deal with treatment using embryonic stem cells and end of life care. That one puzzles me the most--are they just gearing up in case the people of the State of Idaho pass a vote to allow assisted suicide? Like that is going to happen here!! What legal end of life measures could a person ethically refuse to do now? Seems as though that's overkill....an appropriate word, I think, for SB 1353.
And thanks to Senator Schroeder for the critical issues you raised in your debate. I appreciated what you had to say.
Sue Hovey
From: Donovan Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:28 PM
To: Moscow Vision 2020 ; Tom Hansen
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience
I think it is a good idea to give health care provides the option of declining to kill a baby, etus, embryo, zygote, or fertilized egg if someone else is there willing and able to do it. Why not?
Your Friend,
Donovan Arnold
--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:.
From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Subject: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience
To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:50 PM
Greetings Visionaires -
Today in the Idaho Senate, Senate Bill 1353 passed by a vote of 21 to 13.
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Senate Bill 1353
(by STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE)
FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE - HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS - Adds to existing law
relating to abortion and end of life care to provide freedom of conscience
for health care professionals.
Senate Bill 1353
http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf
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District 6's own Senator Schroeder commented prior to submitting his vote.
http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Schroeder_022610.mp3
Thoughts?
The Idaho Senate debate, concerning S1353, has been recorded i its
entirety and will be posted online under the "Moscow Cares" banner after I
complete converting and posting a rather interesting 1932 Oldsmobile
commercial that I am certain most of you will find entertaining.
Seeya round town, Moscow,
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
and the Realist adjusts his sails."
- Unknown
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