[Vision2020] One Way to Save the State Lots and Lots of Money

Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
Wed Feb 17 18:19:00 PST 2010 

Sunil,

Oh, I agree with you 100%  that this is a total abdication by the  
state and yes, it does leave out the students that can't afford the  
tutors.
Now, what has to happen is the PUBLIC has to create such an atmosphere  
with the legislature that idiotic  suggestions that crept here
from Utah are throw in the dust bin where they belong!

All I was saying is that if the "Boys in Boise" do pass this hair- 
brained idea, there are alternatives that will spring up. For instance,
I'd be willing to take on 5 students that need a tutor, and at about  
$250.00 per student per month, I'd even be willing to take on
one or two that can't pay.

This is also an ideal situation for organizations such as NSA that  
have teachers and the facilities. I'm sure that the U of I wouldn't be  
interested in it even though
it will be quite lucrative. And because it's a "tutorial", I don't  
have to have an education degree to teach students, which I would have  
to have if I offered this at the
High School.

Wayne








On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote


> Wayne,
>
> This would allow the state to abdicate its duty to educate students,  
> and leave out the kids whose parents can't afford to hire tutors. I  
> don't see that as a win. The public bears these costs because they  
> produce a public good.
>
> Sunil
>
> > From: bear at moscow.com
> > To: vpschwaller at gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:52:36 -0800
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] One Way to Save the State Lots and Lots  
> of Money
> >
> > While I understand the initial knee-jerk reaction is that this is  
> bad,
> > maybe it's not.
> > The high flyers in the 11th grade wouldn't be held back, and the  
> less
> > than sharp students would require
> > extra work, which will spawn jobs as tutors and "crammers" as  
> utilized
> > in the UK, creating a cottge
> > industry.
> >
> > The over all tax payers will save money, and while there will be  
> fewer
> > students in our high schools,
> > they will be better students. The parents of those that are less  
> than
> > brilliant, will hire tutors for those
> > that the system leaves behind, and those students will make  
> excellent
> > students if they get accepted
> > into colleges.
> >
> > And this way, while the "state" is providing a basic level of
> > education, the parents and or students that
> > wish to take advantage of additional tutoring will bear the cost
> > rather than the public.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Glenn Schwaller wrote:
> >
> > > I found it quite interesting the editorial in the MPDN  
> addressing this
> > > issue ran juxtaposed to an op-ed article on how incoming  
> freshmen are
> > > so poorly prepared for the rigors of a university education.  
> Imagine
> > > having to teach remedial math, English and reading to high school
> > > graduates under the current circumstances. And someone wants to
> > > fast-track them!
> > >
> > > GS
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Oh, yeah. This'll work.
> > >>
> > >> Courtesy of Associated Content at:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2708945/utah_senator_proposes_eliminating_12th.html
> > >>
> > >>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Utah Senator Proposes Eliminating 12th Grade
> > >> Get Rid of 12th Grade in Utah to Save Money, Says Senator
> > >> By McCarvel
> > >>
> > >> Utah State Sen. Chris Buttars on February 1st appeared before the
> > >> Public
> > >> Education Appropriations Subcommittee and suggested that Utah  
> schools
> > >> eliminate the twelfth grade and get rid of busing for high school
> > >> students
> > >> to save $60 million. He said this grade was a waste of time for  
> most
> > >> students and that many squander away this year, which costs the  
> state
> > >> millions of dollars.
> > >>
> > >> However, concerned educators said this idea would wreak havoc on
> > >> college
> > >> admissions and will create substandard education. Strenuous
> > >> objections
> > >> from parents and teachers caused Buttars to back off somewhat and
> > >> change
> > >> his proposal to making the senior year optional.
> > >>
> > >> My child is in the 10th grade at a High School in St. George,  
> Utah.
> > >> My
> > >> three other children have already graduated. As a parent, I  
> believe
> > >> kids
> > >> are not fully matured at 17 years old and need the senior year to
> > >> allow
> > >> them more life experience. I want them to have the wonderful
> > >> experiences
> > >> of "senior year." It is a noble goal for them to achieve.
> > >>
> > >> Without senior year, many would be left to do nothing. The job
> > >> market in
> > >> southern Utah is in a desperate situation and certainly adding
> > >> thousands
> > >> of 17 years olds would not help the quality of life here for  
> either
> > >> the
> > >> child or the community. What does a 17 year old do without school
> > >> or a
> > >> job? Frankly, many kids are not academically prepared well at
> > >> junior year
> > >> and that would negatively affect the colleges in Utah.
> > >>
> > >> According to the Salt Lake Tribune (www.sltrib.com), Utah has a  
> $700
> > >> million budget shortfall, so $60 million is a significant cut.
> > >> However,
> > >> most parents will agree with teachers who say this grade is
> > >> important to
> > >> the development of the student. We are preparing them to enter  
> the
> > >> world
> > >> in this grade. I have seen my own children sense that they are
> > >> reaching a
> > >> major goal in their life when completing the 12th grade and
> > >> graduating
> > >> from high school. Just because the state of Utah faces a budget
> > >> crisis in
> > >> education which every state has for the last 30 years, it is no
> > >> reason to
> > >> create an unemployment crisis and make Utah kids miss out on  
> crucial
> > >> instruction that they need for college admission. According to  
> the
> > >> Utah
> > >> Board of Education (www.usoe.k12.ut.us) it makes no sense to make
> > >> students
> > >> less prepared for college than they are already. Sen. Buttars
> > >> proposal has
> > >> caused a firestorm of attention from parents, teachers and  
> students
> > >> almost
> > >> all of whom are against his plan. It would appear that the media
> > >> frenzy
> > >> over his suggestion would indicate it is not likely to get much
> > >> support
> > >> from those involved with this issue.
> > >>
> > >>  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >>
> > >> Tom Hansen
> > >> Moscow, Idaho
> > >>
> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects  
> it to
> > >> change
> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >>
> > >> - Unknown
> > >>
> > >>
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