[Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
Warren Hayman
whayman at roadrunner.com
Sun Aug 15 18:11:00 PDT 2010
Sounds close to the guy who got out of jail and saw an attractive person on the street outside. He ended his sentence with a proposition.
Warren Hayman
Yes. "There are some things up with which I will not put."
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From: Sue Hovey
To: Donovan Arnold ; Reggie Holmquist
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; webmaster at fsr.com ; services at fsr.com ; techsupport at fsr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
Well now, I'm not sure it was ever considered a slur, but these days even grammarians say it isn't a sin. Sometimes ending a sentence with a preposition makes it clearer than when one tries to worm around and find a more fitting word. The greater sin today is forgetting a lot is two words.
Sue H.
From: Donovan Arnold
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:26 PM
To: Reggie Holmquist
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; webmaster at fsr.com ; services at fsr.com ; techsupport at fsr.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
Reggie,
There are educators in here. Please don't end a sentence with a preposition! It is considered a slur. LOL, j/k. : )
The Vision 2020 statement is listed on the website, it is pretty long. But the purpose is to be a soap box in public square.
I agree with you that V2020 has a lot of untapped potential but is ignored because there are many people resistant to any type of change in the Vision 2020 format. People don't like to use V 2020 for three major reasons;
1) Everything you say is preserved in posterity forever.
2) Everything you say can and will be used against you in the future, in context or outside of it.
3) The technological format is old, limiting, and leads to misunderstandings between people.
Donovan
PS, This is Vandal Country, lose the "u.boisestate.edu" addy at the end of your name. This is a family oriented website that values quality education :P
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Reggie Holmquist <reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu> wrote:
From: Reggie Holmquist <reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: techsupport at fsr.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, services at fsr.com, webmaster at fsr.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 2:00 PM
I'm still unclear as to what the point of V2020 is. I may be the only person here under 30 and I only found out about this place through word of mouth because I specifically asked a politically connected local individual if there are any local blogs or message boards. I don't think I would have found it otherwise (I did searches for local moscow politics and V2020 does not come up). But I can't weigh in at all on this topic because I don't know what the goal of V2020 is. Is it to grow the community? To be a media platform? To spur people to action? To be a discussion platform until it dies out b/c noone knows about it and noone wants to use this ancient messaging platform?
It just sucks, b/c I see major potential here and it seems like some of that potential might be being wasted. But, again, it all just depends on what the goal of this place is.
-Reggie
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Sue,
I think we all have someone like that in our family : )
People often don't realize what they are missing without taking advantage of new technologies.
I think Vision 2020 is going the same way as the post letter. It is sad too because V2020 can be a great media if it would change to a modern format.
Donovan Arnold
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: webmaster at fsr.com, services at fsr.com, techsupport at fsr.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:07 PM
I, too, have a Facebook page and I almost never go on it. I should, I know, but it's just easier for me to get my email and read what I want to and delete what I don't. I do realize Donovan is certainly correct in his conjecture that younger folks may well find the Viz antiquated and want something new. I actually have some sense of that feeling, as my husband won't even consider email so I'm always having to print things he might want to read, and as they are printing, I'm thinking, "Damnit, Norman if you would move just a tiny bit into the 20th Century...nevermind the 21st."
Sue H
From: keely emerinemix
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:44 PM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: webmaster at fsr.com ; services at fsr.com ; techsupport at fsr.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
I'm on vacation and haven't bothered to read all of the other posts regarding the supposed ease of Facebook over that of Vision 2020, but I have a couple of thoughts:
One, the people at First Step have been remarkably generous in providing the I-don't-know-what-to-call-it technology that enables us to have a "Vision 2020," and no discussion of its future should take place without acknowledging the debt all of us who have been active on this forum owe to First Step. I've made some precious friends on this forum, and quite a few enemies, but I can't imagine my last several years in Moscow without Vision 2020.
Two, I'm one of those dinosaurs who has a Facebook page with nothing on it because it seems like an unnecessarily complicated mode of conversing, and because I prefer, still, to talk one-on-one with people via email. Even the group emails I send, I send to people with whom I'd be sitting around having a beer if they all lived in Moscow. And I realize I'm in the minority here; Facebook certainly has taken off and done quite well without me. I am not at all interested in what I see as the "instant intimacy," or at least the indiscriminate intimacy, of Facebook or MySpace. I'm blessed to have a great many acquaintances, a lot of pals, a few friends, and just a handful of intimates -- those people with whom I discuss, and from whom I hear, things that by their precious nature aren't something I or they want to plaster across a constantly-changing electronic billboard like Facebook. I understand I'm not in the cultural mainstream here, but my Luddite tendencies suit me well.
Three, I think there are others like me who want to continue discussing the things we all discuss on Vision without revealing much more of ourselves than the content of our posts. Maybe I just don't get it -- gee, could it be? -- but I want my participation on Vision 2020 to reveal nothing about me other than what I have to say on a given subject. I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to wade through the "I just ate some yogurt," "OMG, did you see Hell's Kitchen last night?" and "My Favorite 25 Punk Songs" musings of other people, and (except for the 25 punk songs) I can't imagine anyone would want to go through mine -- unless they were close friends, in which case they'd either already know, or they'd get an email, phone call, or letter from me. The advantage of Vision is, to me, its existence as a stand-alone feature/forum that pretty much means "When you're in, you're in for this, nothing else" -- No offers to extend body parts I don't have, no garbage from people who think the supreme expression of my devotion to God is to hit "Send" to 10 other people, and no emails from friends who have no idea what to think about Highway 12 because they live in Virginia. It's Vision 2020, all about Vision 2020, all the time. I like that.
Now I'll read the other posts, or not, and do so knowing that I've confirmed my status as someone as overwhelmed by technology as Doug Wilson would be by a gaggle of ordained women Reformed intellectuals at a conference on female Pentecostal history. Yeah, that bad.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:31:18 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
CC: webmaster at fsr.com; services at fsr.com; techsupport at fsr.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?
I believe, that Vision 2020, that hasn't changed its low-tech format since 1994, which is both annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient to use by its subscribers, will be replaced by another Internet company or reputable company or organization that establishes such a forum on Facebook or similar network.
Sure, anyone could establish a Palouse Forum, but people would be more likely to join a forum created by First Step Internet that uses the same name.
Image a Vision 2020 that took only moments to skim through instead of opening and closing each email, or getting one at the end of the day after the conversation is over. You could post links, images, and information much more quickly. And perhaps the best things of all would be that people could not use your name in postings or false names to launch personal attacks against members of the community.
A Facebook account would be more meaningful and helpful to a community that wished to grow and be productive with its online networking. It would also be of better service to facilitate the purpose and mission of Vision 2020.
Vision 2020 will eventually be replaced, the question is how it will be replaced, and by what entity. I hope it is still First Step Internet. But I don't see it making any moves to save Vision 2020 and keep ownership of its own idea of an uncensored soap box forum to facilitate change in the Palouse Community.
Donovan Arnold
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