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[Dave]

So let's see, you say solders are supposed to follow orders blindly?  
This was the defense argument of Hitler's top brass, it didn't fly in 
Nuremberg, nor should it have.

To follow an unlawful order is an unlawful act, period.

Or you say if your commander orders you to go rape that twelve your old 
in front of her father so that he will confess, you have to follow the 
order? (as has happened several times recently)

Dave


Andreas Schou wrote:
> All --
>
> I apparently misinterpreted Garrett's response to Tom, when meaning to
> reply directly to Dave. I recommend not posting to V2020 at 1:00 in
> the morning.
>
> -- ACS
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Garrett --
>>
>> Except for a few exceptions -- defined by our Congress as being
>> permissible -- the military absolutely does have to follow orders.
>> Obeying the orders of democratic institutions, however misguided,
>> doesn't lead to tyranny. Disobeying them leads to a military coup --
>> and can you point to a single example of a military coup leading to a
>> stable democracy?
>>
>> -- ACS
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Garrett Clevenger
>> <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Andreas writes:
>>>
>>> "We don't want them deciding that they know better than us whose lives they should be taking."
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this really what she meant?
>>>
>>> If so, then that's exactly why those of us who aren't obligated to obey orders should be questioning why our troops are being used.
>>>
>>> To go down the road that Andreas suggest is to head towards tyranny.
>>>
>>> If a coup is what it takes to end imperialism, then I guess our founding documents had it right by suggesting that may be necessary from time to time.
>>>
>>> It must be the teabagger in me for I resent our tax dollars and our troops being used at the leaders whim, particularly when the circumstance for using those troops is highly questionable.
>>>
>>> I've resented the invasion of Iraq from the beginning, so I'll keep on questioning that.
>>>
>>> Please excuse my ignorance, but why are our Idaho National Guardspeople being sent to Iraq?  Aren't they supposed to guard Idaho?
>>>
>>> I respect guardspeople enough to make sure their commitment isn't being abused.
>>>
>>> Garrett
>>>
>>>
>>> Apr 27, 2010 10:10:58 PM, ophite at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ===========================================
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On the other hand, it seems ignorant to just blindly obey them (and at the same
>>>> time allow our fellow Idahoans to risk their lives for misguided
>>>>         
>>>>> policy), so have at it.
>>>>>           
>>>> It's not ignorant. Down that road lies a coup. We entrust our troops
>>>> with the power to take human lives on our behalf.  We don't want them
>>>> deciding that they know better than us whose lives they should be
>>>> taking.
>>>>
>>>> -- ACS
>>>>
>>>>         
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