[Vision2020] Deep Solar Minimum 2008-09: Lowest Since 1913: March 2010 Global Temperature Set New High

[John Pool]

And here I thought the world had been going to hell in a handbasket for at
least the last 100 years or so.

John Pool

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To: Ted Moffett
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Deep Solar Minimum 2008-09: Lowest Since 1913:
March 2010 Global Temperature Set New High


The global climate is a chaotic system that is affected by multiple 
inputs, some cyclical in nature, some more-or-less random.  One such 
cycle is the sunspot cycle, which has lately stalled again and is on 
it's 8th day in a row of spotless sun days. We know so little about the 
system in general that it's hard to say what kind of a lag would be 
apparent or how long of a solar minimum would need to change x numbers 
of degrees in global mean temperature.  Anyway, all it takes is a 1% or 
2% change in albedo, or a small change in cloud cover for the game to 
change completely, which is something that we can't model 
realistically.  We'll just have to see how this pans out over the next 
few years.

That's one of the reasons I'm so skeptical that our CO2 footprint is 
going to cause massive global damage if we don't do something RIGHT 
NOW.  It's almost impossible to isolate that one variable amongst the 
chaos that it's pointless to be worried about it until it's a bit more 
obvious that the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

Paul

Ted Moffett wrote:
> It requires going back to 1913 to find a lower solar minimum during 
> the past century than the minimum of 2008-09.  As global average 
> temperatures in March 2010 (very low sunspot activity continues in 
> 2010, though new solar cycle 24 is under 
> way:  http://solarb.msfc.nasa.gov/ ,
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml ) 
> set a new March monthly record for intensity, the climate science 
> speculators/skeptics of anthropogenic warming, who have been pushing 
> the solar forcing theory for contemporary increases in global 
> temperatures, might consider recanting their position (no misleading 
> and/or "cooked" data graphs regarding contemporary temperature and 
> solar activity presented here):
>
>
>     NOAA: Global Temps Push Last Month to Hottest March on Record
>
> http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100415_marchstats.html
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> http://www.appinsys.com/NASASolar.htm 
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> A theory regarding the cause of the unusually deep solar minimum of 
> 2008-09 is presented below, from "Science" journal March 12, 2010:
>
>
>       NASA - Solar 'Current of Fire' Speeds Up
>
>
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/12mar_conveyorbelt
/
>
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>
> http://sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/327/5971/1350
>
> /Science/ 12 March 2010:
> Vol. 327. no. 5971, pp. 1350 - 1352
> DOI: 10.1126/science.1181990
>
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>  
>
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>     Variations in the Sun’s Meridional Flow over a Solar Cycle
>
> *David H. Hathaway^1 ^,* and Lisa Rightmire^2 *
>
> The Sun’s meridional flow is an axisymmetric flow that^ is generally 
> directed from its equator toward its poles at the^ surface. The 
> structure and strength of the meridional flow determine^ both the 
> strength of the Sun’s polar magnetic field and^ the intensity of 
> sunspot cycles. We determine the meridional^ flow speed of magnetic 
> features on the Sun using data from the^ Solar and Heliospheric 
> Observatory. The average flow is poleward^ at all latitudes up to 75°, 
> which suggests that it extends^ to the poles. It was faster at sunspot 
> cycle minimum than at^ maximum and substantially faster on the 
> approach to the current^ minimum than it was at the last solar 
> minimum. This result may^ help to explain why this solar activity 
> minimum is so peculiar.^
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