[Vision2020] Say What?
Garrett Clevenger
garrettmc at verizon.net
Thu Apr 8 18:26:06 PDT 2010
don't forget rock and roll is ours and uptight religious fanatics are yours...
gclev
Apr 8, 2010 04:56:23 PM, lockshop at pull.twcbc.com wrote:
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Come on Roger, face up to the fact that to the lefty's, everything that's
>
>good and proper in the world is theirs and conservatives are the owners of
>all things evil.
>
>Sunshine
>rainbows
>tolerence (please ignore Robert Byrd and the KKK)
>unicorns
>fresh air
>candy canes
>
>All left wing inventions. Conversely,
>
>Toxic waste
>hurricanes
>earthquakes
>darkness
>disease
>big ickey bugs
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>All ours I'm afraid.
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>g
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saundra Lund"
>To: "'lfalen'" ; "'Tom
>Hansen'" ;
>"'Garrett Clevenger'"
>Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> As I said, ***read the primary source material*** referenced in the
>> bibliography -- I have. I'm not asking you to accept Wikipedia's
>word for
>> it but rather the expert words of the experts cited.
>>
>> Again, the definitions you keep repeating ABSOLUTELY DO NOT support your
>
>> assertion that Nazism is on the left. The reality is that it is generally
>
>> accepted by expert scholars that Nazism is on the ***far*** right. If
>you
>> want to argue that, have at it, but you're going to have to have an
>
>> approach other than sticking your fingers in your ears and repeatedly
>> announcing, "BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!"
>>
>> My political science husband has suggested trying this un-academic
>> approach with you since reason is failing to make it through your
>> misunderstanding. Question: why, Roger, do you suppose around the world
>
>> it's FAR RIGHT POLITICIANS -- and not leftist ones -- who have to
>
>> denounce Nazism and any connection to Nazism???
>>
>> Answer: IT'S BECAUES NAZISM IS ON THE FAR RIGHT!!!!
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>do
>> nothing.
>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life
>
>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>
>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
>
>> the author.*****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:37 PM
>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Garrett Clevenger'
>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>> Saundra
>> Wikipedia is notorious for being inaccurate. Anyone can post to it. Try
>
>> Merriam-Webster. My source is Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary,
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>> copyright 1997, page 767. Nazism- The body and economic doctrines held
>
>> and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers Party in the
>
>> Third Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state
>> control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be racially
>
>> superior, and or the supremacy of the fuhrer.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
>> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:46:09 -0700
>> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Tom Hansen'"
>thansen at moscow.com,
>> "'Garrett Clevenger'" garrettmc at verizon.net
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>
>>> Hi Roger,
>>>
>>> First, we're enjoying the pheasants, too -- I'm thinking their
>temporary
>>> disappearance was the effect of a brutal winter and wet spring with
>their
>>> associated high rates of mortality. I'm glad you're enjoying
>the
>>> pheasants
>>> and quail as much as we are!
>>>
>>> Second, I give up on you. No one is arguing with the Merriam-Webster
>>> definitions but rather with your extrapolations from those definitions
>--
>>> that's where you are dead wrong. Period.
>>>
>>> "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology
>and
>>> practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]
>
>>> It
>>> was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and
>>> anti-Semitism.[9] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic,
>>> incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and
>>> left-wing
>>> ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[10]."
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
>>>
>>> Read the primary source materials provided in the bibliography, and
>then
>>> let
>>> us know you Get It. Or at least provide an intelligent rebuttal of
>the
>>> position of the credible scholars that Nazism is ***far*** right rather
>
>>> than
>>> just repeating your personal and erroneous opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra Lund
>>> Moscow, ID
>>>
>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>to do
>>> nothing.
>>> ~ Edmund Burke
>>>
>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through
>life
>>> plus
>>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>
>>> outside
>>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
>>> author.*****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of lfalen
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:35 AM
>>> To: Tom Hansen; Garrett Clevenger
>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>> I give up on you guys. These were not my definitions that I sent Wayne
>>> Price, they are from Merriam-Webster. If you do not believe me, check
>
>>> your
>>> dictionary. If you want to rewrite the dictionary, maybe you should
>go
>>> join
>>> the Flat Earth Society.
>>> As for being on the left. The left wing in the 20's embraced both
>Hitler
>>> and
>>> Mussolini up untill the World War II started. They also originated
>
>>> Eugenics.
>>> Hitler picked it from them. Both Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell
>Homes
>>> supported Eugenics. If you want verification Tom, look it up on Google.
>
>>> It
>>> is easy to find.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Note to Saundra- In a post of yours a couple of years ago, you asked
>
>>> where
>>> have all the pheasants gone. They are back in my yard and pasture.
>I
>>> enjoy
>>> watching them and the quail.
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
>>> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:17:46 -0700
>>> To: "Garrett Clevenger" garrettmc at verizon.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>>>
>>> > Exactly.
>>> >
>>> > What was your first clue, Roger, that the Nazis were/are far left?
>>> >
>>> > Their systematic execution of homosexuals?
>>> >
>>> > The elimination of individual rights?
>>> >
>>> > Or simply their attempt to destroy democracy?
>>> >
>>> > Tom Hansen
>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Roger writes:
>>> > >
>>> > > "It is convenient for the left to place them on the
>right. this makes
>>> > > it
>>> > > easier for them to demonise the right and marginalize them
>by
>>> > > association."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Er, isn't this what Roger just did by saying "The
>Nazis are on the
>>> left."?
>>> > >
>>> > > I'll continue his quote to make his nazi one more realisitic.
>>> > >
>>> > > "They ... may want freedom for themselves, but not
>for others. This
>>> does
>>> > > not place them on the {left}, who wants freedom for everyone.
>{nazis}
>>> > > basically are kooks and cannot be categorized as being left
>or
>>> > > right."
>>> > >
>>> > > So Roger is part right, even if he is or isn't "on
>the right."
>>> > >
>>> > > Garrett
>>> > >
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>>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>it to
>>> > change
>>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>> >
>>> > - Unknown
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