[Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sat Oct 31 13:55:34 PDT 2009
Selina,
Thanks! Let's talk off-list and make some arrangements!
Best, Joe
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Selina Davis <selinadavis at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I didn't think anyone was against a respectful discussion here - I
> said I wasn't expecting a whole lot of respectful discussion between
> Hitchens and Wilson in the film. However, the press on the film
> makes it sound like they may develop a certain affection and respect
> for one another over the course of the film, which would sure be
> interesting to watch unfold.
>
> I'm not a Christ Church member. I'm a non-denominational deist who
> studied to convert to Reform Judaism in college, but ultimately
> opted not to ally myself with any particular organized religion. In
> college a friend of mine joked that my religion was "Democrat" - I
> told she'd better take that back because I don't want the Big Guy
> getting hacked off and going all Old Testament smite-happy on me.
> (So I do joke about these things, sometimes in ways some folks may
> not appreciate. I try to be sensitive to other's views and faith,
> but you can't please everybody all the time.) Now in my mid-30s and
> the sudden adoptive parent of a 6-year old, I'm revisiting Christian
> theology to see whether there might not be a Christian viewpoint
> that meshes with my own worldview and understanding of God's will
> for us ... I've realized that perhaps I was too quick to write it
> off as a teenager because the teachings that I was exposed to as a
> child and teen didn't work for me.
>
> I find religion and politics fascinating. Our values and belief
> systems play extraordinarily important roles in our lives -
> sometimes for good, sometimes for ill. But I am always willing to
> listen to folks discuss their beliefs and thoughts in their own
> words, and to listen charitably and ask questions when needed to
> help me understand where they're coming from. I'm a pretty serious-
> minded person who enjoys exploring ideas about our world (and other
> times I'm a dang goofball).
>
> So that's a bit about where I'm coming from.
>
> I'd be happy to grab lunch with you sometime, Joe. Just don't be
> disappointed that I'm not giving you a chance to finally dine with a
> Christ Church member. Can't meet up this afternoon - I'm lit-
> dropping for Mayor Chaney's re-elect. But maybe on a weekday after
> the election is done.
>
> - Selina Davis
> Mom, attorney (licensed in WA & ID), Democrat, Gen-Xer, proud
> feminist, supporter of civil rights for ALL of God's children, and
> believer in the transformational power of love for God and for our
> fellow man
>
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: selinadavis at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:04:28 -0700
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> You think I'm against "respectful" debate on the V because I don't
> want to listen to two people, each of which thinks the other is an
> idiot, talk about a delicate topic like religion!?! LOL!
>
> You have the wrong impression of me, Selina! Let's talk about it
> over lunch, I'll treat.
>
> I think it is ironic that I have asked every single Christ Church
> supporter that has posted on the V out to lunch, and not one has
> accepted my offer. Yet I'm the one who is against open debate!?! You
> hate my politics so much that you won't even join me for lunch, yet
> I'm close-minded!?!
>
> Be the first, Selina! Actually, today a late afternoon beer at the
> Silos would work best given my schedule. My son has a soccer game at
> noon, 2-4 is good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Selina Davis <selinadavis at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Naw, I wasn't expecting a mutually respectful debate on the screen.
> I meant a mutually respectful discussion among those of us in the
> audience afterward. I'm familiar with Chris Hitchens' work and his
> persona as a conservative, boozy intellectual/writer given to
> throwing rhetorical bombs. That's his charm. It sounds like the
> film might be entertaining and fodder for good discussion, though.
>
> I enjoyed the Newsweek religion editor's take on it ... but I expect
> that I will feel compelled to watch the movie anyway. http://www.newsweek.com/id/219009
>
> - Selina
>
> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:59:43 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity
> > From: thansen at moscow.com
> > To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > CC: selinadavis at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> > I simply write this whole debate thing off as some kind of
> theological
> > soap opera, Joe.
> >
> > Holy Rapture, Batman!
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > > Mutally respectful discussion from Hitchens and Wilson? You
> haven't
> > > really followed the debate, have you. Hitchens thinks that
> > > fundamentalists like Wilson are dangerous idiots. He also thinks
> that
> > > ALL Christians are fundamentalists. Thus, religion in general is
> > > nothing more than dangerous idiocy.
> > >
> > > Wilson, of course, thinks that Christianity allows for slavery
> -- that
> > > some slavery is permissable -- and has written -- well, at least
> wrote
> > > part of since the original work was partly ripped if from a
> > > discredited academic source -- a revisionist history of American
> > > slavery, where it turns out that the best race relations in the
> > > country happened when we kept blacks in chains!
> > >
> > > This is not an academic debate -- they have exactly one MA between
> > > them. This is a circus, where difficult issues about religion are
> > > glossed over in favor of insulting generalizations. Of course,
> this
> > > kind of crap has always sold well!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:10 PM, Selina Davis <selinadavis at hotmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> And here's the link to info about the movie:
> > >> http://www.collisionmovie.com/
> > >> and a link to Pastor Wilson with Chris Hitchens for an hour on
> the
> > >> nationally-syndicated Laura Ingraham Show today (haven't
> listened to
> > >> it yet): http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2009/10/23/70483.aspx
> > >>
> > >> It's always intriguing when someone around here gains a degree of
> > >> notoriety beyond our region. Can we anticipate a showing and
> > >> spirited (yet hopefully mutually respectful) discussion at the
> Nuart
> > >> and/or Kenworthy sometime soon?
> > >>
> > >> - Selina
> > >>
> > >> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:30 -0700
> > >> From: rforce2003 at yahoo.com
> > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity
> > >>
> > >> fighting words
> > >> Faith No More
> > >> What I've learned from debating religious people around the
> world.
> > >> By Christopher Hitchens
> > >> Posted Monday, Oct. 26, 2009, at 11:21 AM ET
> > >>
> > >> This week sees the opening on various cinema marquees of the film
> > >> Collision: a buddy-and-road movie featuring last year's debates
> > >> between Pastor Douglas Wilson, who is a senior fellow at New St.
> > >> Andrew's College, and your humble servant. (If I may be forgiven,
> > >> it's also available on DVD, and you can buy our little book of
> > >> exchanges, Is Christianity Good for the World?)
> > >>
> > >> Newsweek's reviewer beseeches you not to go and see the film,
> > >> largely on the grounds that it features two middle-aged white men
> > >> trying to establish which one is the dominant male. I would have
> > >> thought that this would be reason enough to buy a ticket, but
> > >> perhaps she would have preferred the debate held in London last
> week
> > >> featuring me and Stephen Fry (two magnificent specimens of white
> > >> mammalhood) versus a female member of Parliament who is a Tory
> > >> Catholic convert and the Roman Catholic archbishop of Abuja,
> > >> Nigeria. It filled one of the largest halls in the city, and many
> > >> people had to be turned away. For a combination of reasons, the
> > >> subject of religion is back where it always ought to beâ
> €”at the very
> > >> center of any argument about the clash of world views.
> > >>
> > >> Continues at: http://www.slate.com/id/2233586/
> > >>
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