[Vision2020] NYTimes: Limbaugh Dropped From Bid to Buy Rams

[Donovan Arnold]

I don't know, Joe. 
 
I was kind of looking forward to a NFL Republican Football Team.
It would be entertaining to watch how a bunch of wealthy fat balding aging conservatives would fair against other NFL teams. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney against Brett Farve and Adrian Peterson? What a match-up! Definitely worth the cost of the NFL Sunday Night Ticket. 
 
Bonus Question: Would a Rush Limbaugh Football team have Elephants, or Chicken Hawks as a Mascot?
 
Donovan Arnold

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: Limbaugh Dropped From Bid to Buy Rams
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 6:12 PM



These are very good points but I think it is important to realize that initial criticisms came from players, many of whom were personally offended by previous, public comments made by Rush about the league ("Crips vs. Bloods") and players in particular (Donovan McNab).


Free speech protects the content of your remarks, as long as it isn't slander or libel. It does not protect style. It protects the expression of ideas, not the way in which you express them. Someone who deliberately insults people for political gain is not being treated unfairly if it turns out that some of the very people he insults want nothing to do with him.


If you could tell me one IDEA that Limbaugh was punished for expressing, you might have a point. But I don't see it.   

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On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:21 AM, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com> wrote:





While I don't believe hardly anything that Limbaugh says, and certainly don't agree with his values, I am afraid that this development represents a true loss of and a threat to freedom of speech/expression.
 
The way to fight crackpots is to try to show where they are in error, and to boycott their services and products, not, in effect, to ban them from offering ideas, services, and/or products.  
 
The NFL, NBA, NHL NCAA, etc are full of examples where freedom of expression is suppressed or penalized -- celebration penalties, disallowal of public comment by players, coaches, of putrid officiating, for example.  I think these are really chickenshit rules, and that they certain represent a trend of denying those affected by acts from commenting upon them.  Very unhealthy in the long run.
 
The loss of freedom of expression that is very maddening and counterproductive is the sealing of court cases, especially cases where one of the parties is a public entity -- all criminal and all civil cases where a public entity is a party.  As a taxpayer, I want to know what goes on in the court and how a particular settlement/outcome is going to affect me and society as a whole, and how much a particular settlement is going to cost.  If you haven't observed courts much, you'd be surprised at the amount of perjury that occurs, even by law enforcement officers, the laxity and ineptitude of some prosecutors, the laziness and lack of conscientiousness of some judges, and the outrageousness of some plea bargains in criminal cases and settlements in civil cases.
 
 
W.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joe Campbell 
To: vision2020 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:03 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] NYTimes: Limbaugh Dropped From Bid to Buy Rams

>From The New York Times:

Limbaugh Dropped From Bid to Buy Rams

In the face of fierce opposition, Dave Checketts said his group would  
move on without the conservative radio talk-show host.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/sports/football/15limbaugh.html

Get The New York Times on your iPhone for free by visiting http://itunes.com/apps/nytimes


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