[Vision2020] Collision Comment

Sun Nov 15 11:15:37 PST 2009

I think a great many points against Christ Church are marginalized when people over dramatize, add personal attacks, and give no credit to them when they make valid main stream points.

Donovan Arnold

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Collision Comment
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 6:52 PM

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Keely,

There is a double irony here.

The first most obvious and important irony is that Cultmaster Douglas Wilson, CEO of the Wilson & Family's Christless Cult & Cash Machine, preaches many theo-dicta that are at opposite, warring poles from the unmistakably clear urgings of the founder and basis of Christianity, Jesus Christ.  

First is Wilson's strong drive to acquire great personal wealth, his urging to those in his cult to do the same themselves, and his urging  to cult members to admire others that acquire great personal wealth.  Christ very clearly admonishes otherwise*.  [Please see below.]

Also, Wilson ignores the clear dicta of Christ that exhorts people to do good works.  In fact, Christ very clearly states (if the words in the Synoptic Gospels are his) that doing good works is the necessary key to unlock the door to eternal, blissful life**.  [Please see below.]

So it is with great dismay that many Christians are appalled at Wilson's apodictic, clearly antichrist holdings, and are shocked that he is taken to be the representative of Christianity.  Many feel that even by claiming to be a Christian, Wilson places himself in the category of world class liars and hypocrites.  Further, many feel that by leading his ovine flock and others astray on these matters, Wilson is selfishly depriving them of any possibility of salvation and eternal bliss.  Perhaps this is why Doug Jones gave up his former pastoral post in the cult.

Then there are those of us who think that it is highly probable that Douglas Wilson doesn't really believe the crackpotism he preaches -- that he is a clever, somewhat charismatic flimflammer who uses the religious cravings/needs/fears of a contingent universe of those unfortunate, naive, ovine, "one born every minute" persons as his hook to snare/gaff power, influence, and money from them.

With regard to the clearly antichrist dicta above and with many other repugnant dicta, Douglas Wilson is in lockstep with the so-called "Reverend" Fred "God hates fags" Phelps.  Both are thoroughgoing Calvinists.  It goes without saying Calvinism is considered by many to be the philosophy of the Antichrist.

The second and somewhat humorous irony is that Wilson, although an egotistical, self-absorbed, exceedingly vain person, is apparently unaware of how his image comes across in the various internet clips that have emerged since he has apparently acquired f-list celebrity status.  Despite his personal wealth, and his continued maximal bleeding of his stressed flock in these recessionary times,  Wilson's physical appearance is not what many would expect in a spokesman of any kind.

In several clips on the internet the buffoonish Wilson looks like homeless man wearing an off-the rack-from-Good-Will suit formerly tailored for some other quite different obese person.  In addition, Wilson appears to be the victim of a free, hasty haircut executed by Bill "bring your own bowl" the Barber.

Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

waf at moscow.com
208 882-7975

* From Matthew 19:  
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 
 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 
 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 
 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 
 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 
 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 
 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 
 23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
 24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 

** From Matthew 25:

 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 
 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 
 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 
 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 
 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 
 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 
 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 
 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: keely emerinemix 
To: deco at moscow.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Collision Comment

Wow.  

As I've said before, and no doubt will say again, it is astonishing to me that the evangelical world has decided to elevate Wilson to the status of spokesman for the faith.  His theology is deficient, his debate skills are lacking, his character and conduct are grievous, and thousands of people across the country, a few hundred of them in Moscow, don't seem to care.  In a U.S. evangelical community that's full of dedicated, brilliant, kind, humble, probing, academically sharp scholars, this is who gets the press?

And no, I don't identify myself as one of the "dedicated, brilliant . . . "  But I am a Christian, and after seven years of studying Wilson's work and ministries, I can say, with full awareness of my own lack of formal education and abundant shortcomings, I would not recommend any part of any ministry, school, publication or movement that in any way originates from Anselm House to any person -- believer or atheist, man or woman, young or old..  Yeah, I think it's that bad.

So, in a fallen world, I guess it makes sense that Wilson gets the microphone, but it's tragic nonetheless.  

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

From: deco at moscow.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:32:42 -0800
Subject: [Vision2020] Collision Comment

Emphasis Added.

Douglas Wilson is a sleazebag…and the universe doesn’t care!

Douglas Wilson recently wrote a piece over at The Huffington Post entitled, Atheists Suck at Being Atheists, wherein he chides atheists, and Christopher Hitchens in particular, for their unwillingness to face up the the logical conclusions of their atheism. If there is no God, then of course there is nothing in the physical, material universe except, well, the physical, material universe. Which means that human beings and everything else are just a composite of chemicals that act and interact in certain ways at certain temperatures. But atheists don’t want to face up to this reality. They thunder on like Old Testament prophets against things like hypocrisy, homophobia, racism, human suffering and evil, and that slimebag, Douglas Wilson.
Take the outspoken atheist, P.Z. Myers, for example, over at his blog, Pharyngula. Upon finding out who Douglas Wilson is – he being the pastor from Moscow, Idaho and the foil for Chris Hitchens in the superb film Collision – he puts the screws to him with obvious gusto…
A reader wrote in to inform me of who Wilson is, and I was appalled. He has a ministry in Idaho which has ties to the white supremacy movement!…He runs a private school in Idaho that celebrates Robert E. Lee’s birthday; he wants a “cultural reformation” in America, and his model, his ideal, is the antebellum Confederacy… Here’s a collection of links that point to the vileness of this sleazebag…I don’t understand at all why Hitchens would want to be associated with such a creature, unless he was specifically seeking out the very worst that American Christianity brings to the table. Unfortunately, he’s contributing to the reputation of a monstrous blight on the Palouse, a racist, theocratic ideologue whom people of that region deplore.
Did I mention that Myers is an atheist? But not a consistent one, for a consistent atheist would know that Wilson is just a bearded, paunchy sack of complex chemicals bouncing around and thus, Wilson’s views on race – even if true by Myers’ account – are just a product of the chemical makeup of his brain. Further, Myers would also know that, given atheism, there is no such thing as racism or bigotry or “monstrous blight” or any other supposed “evil,” since everything is just matter in motion, atoms bumping into each other and godless evolution devouring one species after another. Myers writes as though he has some basis, some standard, for condemning Wilson as a pile of human filth. But I’d like to know what this standard is and where it’s written and why I or anyone else has to follow it. Seeing as there is no God, why should Myers care? The universe doesn’t, and when he and Wilson finally die, there will be no God to bring either
 of them to account for anything. It’s about time the “new” atheists stop writing moral checks with Christian capital.

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