[Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for

Mon Mar 30 09:52:29 PDT 2009

"If such a thing were to happen, our leaders would likely be tried for violations of our laws."--Sunil

Then why would they need to be extradited? If they are violating the same laws, you are advocating we try them twice for the same crime, once in our courts and once in the world court? 

"#1and 5 would be irrelevant as long as our leaders were proceeding lawfully."

 Not true, the US can violate international law in order to protect its own interests. 

"As for 6, the rest of us who abide by the law do so despite the inconvenience."

The rest of us are not making major world real time decisions. I do not want a US General hauled off in the middle of a battle because of "charges" from a previous battle that she make a mistake and killed an old woman crossing the street with a bomb banned in 2007. Nor do I want the Secretary of State hauled off in the middle of UN conference because of a decision she made three months previous not to give aid to Zambia. 

One thing I know is that lawyers can and will argue any law or treaty to mean anything they want and tie up progress and goodwill for years or decades. 

And you forgot number #2, which is the most important, keeping US National Secrets that government officials know out of the hands of opposing governments. 

It is comical to think we should have a world court. Imagine China being the judge of territorial boundaries. Or Iran seated on the Human Rights Commission. 

I will be for a WORLD COURT the day we can legally put a bullet in the back of every lawyer's head, because that is only way it would be run ethically, fairly and with the peoples interest at heart. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for
To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 8:42 AM

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If such a thing were to happen, our leaders would likely be tried for violations of our laws.  Therefore your concerns # 3 and 4 wouldn't apply. #1and 5 would be irrelevant as long as our leaders were proceeding lawfully. As for 6, the rest of us who abide by the law do so despite the inconvenience.

Sunil

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:11:18 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: bear at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for

It would be a very bad idea to put OUR leaders up for trial in a Kangaroo World Court for several reasons.

1) Our leaders are elected to do things that are something bad for other countries. 
2) Our leaders hold national security information that could be exhorted from them
3) It allows other nations to determine what values and beliefs we should hold
4) It allows others to establish laws higher than US laws, which we do not have input into
5) Our elected leaders would be pressured to do what is best for other nations over ours out of fear of punishment.
6) It would inconvenience our leaders from doing their jobs if they could be kidnapped and moved to another country.

I suggest instead, we try our own leaders and allow other countries to do that same. 

Best Regards,

Donovan 

--- On Sun, 3/29/09, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Spanish Court Considering Arrest Warrants for
To: bear at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:35 PM

Mr. Price -

The only "police force" that I feel has it within their jurisdiction would 
be Interpol.

http://www.interpol.int

Perhaps a group of nations could file charges with Interpol against George 
Bush.

How would you foresee these nations proceeding against Bush?

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> Dear List Readers,
> 
> I'm just throwing this onto the list to see how others feel in regards 
to the alleged
> actions of 
> the Bush / Cheney  Administration in the matter of possible war crimes.
> 
> Why not turn them over to a responsible, recognized legal tribunal and 
get this matter
> settled 
> sooner rather than later? If they were willing to carry out the acts, 
with the advice and
> consent 
> of their legal advisers, why not stand up in the light of the judicial 
day and defend
> their 
> actions?
> 
> This is NOT a matter of any one country secretly grabbing them as they 
walk down the
> street or 
> sleep, and bundling them off to a secret prison with no trial or 
recourse. This is an open

> to the 
> world court proceeding. Think of the message this sends to the rest of 
the world: The
> United 
> States stands by the actions of it's leaders, and is willing to put them 
before the world
> bar of 
> justice. 
> 
> 
> Comments?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wayne M.
> Price
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