[Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
Kai Eiselein
editor at lataheagle.com
Wed Mar 18 12:43:04 PDT 2009
Simple.
Driving is a privelege.
Ownership of firearms is a right.
I really don't get what part of that people don't "get".
We have law upon law upon law controlling gun ownership, yet idiots who think everyone with a gun is a threat keep passing more and more restrictive laws.
Thumbprints? Notification of change of address? A photo kept on file?
Why does this bring to mind the sexual offender registry? Don't sexual offenders have a number of similar regulations?
At least they got a trial.
----- Original Message -----
From: Saundra Lund
To: 'Kai Eiselein' ; 'Sunil Ramalingam'
Cc: 'vision 2020'
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
Kai wrote:
"We are headed into brave new world... just like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and any number of other totalitarian states."
Didn't we already get there when the same started being required for things like driver's licenses??? While I'm not up on what your concerns might be with this particular piece of legislation, can you explain why you think the licensing of firearms should be easier than getting a driver's license?
Besides, after the huge erosions of the previous eight years under King George, forgive me if I can't get too worked up about what seem to be to be common sense changes to the licensing of firearms. Personally, I think gun advocates do themselves a huge disservice and make the issue far more divisive than it needs to be by fighting against common sense changes designed to stop the huge trafficking in illegal firearms.
For those interested in reading the full text, here's a link I hope works:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
Also, why are you so much more concerned about a bill that's highly unlikely to pass (IMHO - there are no co-sponsors) than you are about legislation that can have very real detrimental effects on health care in Idaho and weasle religious beliefs and conscience into the free market to interfer with the doctor-patient relationship?
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
~ Edmund Burke
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Kai Eiselein
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:05 AM
To: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
I'm refering to H.R.45 AKA: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
Which will require gun purchasers to be licensed, photographed, fingerprinted and notify the government of address changes.
We are headed into brave new world... just like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and any number of other totalitarian states.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
Kai,
I came up with a blank page when I followed your link. What are you focusing on here?
Sunil
> From: editor at lataheagle.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:42:02 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
>
> Frankly, I'm more worried about this bill in Congress:
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH:
>
> Just one more step on the road to a totalitarian state.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
>
>
> >A better bill would allow McDonald's workers to refuse to serve those
> > who are overweight. I'd love the right to refuse to read papers using
> > bad arguments.
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Courtesy of the Spokesman Review's blog site.
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Pharmacist conscience bill heads for amendment
> >> at 8:04 a.m. on March 18
> >>
> >> Rep. Tom Loertscher's bill to give pharmacists or "any person"
> >> the right
> >> to refuse to fill a prescription for a patient on the basis of
> >> conscience
> >> is headed for the House's amending order, to revise the bill so it a
> >> pplies
> >> only to pharmacists - not to cashiers, stores, or others. Rep. Lynn
> >> Luker,
> >> R-Boise, proposed the amendments. "It's simply a matter of burden
> >> of
> >> proof," he said. "I don't think it will change in any way the
> >> current
> >> practices, because people do have that right." Emotional testimony o
> >> n the
> >> bill stretched for two days before it was approved for amendment on
> >> a 14-4
> >> vote. The testimony included pharmacists and other experts who said
> >> Idaho
> >> pharmacists already have the right to refuse to fill a prescription;
> >> Idaho
> >> has no law requiring them to fill all prescriptions. Among those who
> >> testified was pharmacist Gloria Hansen, who said, "I do know that we
> >> need
> >> to act according to our conscience. .. I lean on the rock which is the
> >> lord God."
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> It is truly a sad day in Idaho for those citizens whose ethics,
> >> morals,
> >> and religious beliefs differ from those of their pharmacist.
> >>
> >> Query: If an asthmatic, living in extremely rural Idaho, dependent on
> >> inhalers for survival, is refused access to such much-needed
> >> inhalers, by
> >> his/her pharmacist, because (s)he is gay or his/her
> >> ethics/morals/religious beliefs differ from his/her pharmacist's
> >> ethics/morals/religious beliefs . . . and the asthmatic dies as a
> >> result . . . is the pharmacist guilty of ANYTHING?
> >>
> >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>
> >> Tom Hansen
> >> Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >> Join us at The First Annual Intolerista Wingding, April 17th,
> >> featuring
> >> Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .
> >>
> >> http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding
> >>
> >> Seeya
> >> there.
> >>
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