[Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Thu Mar 5 18:26:47 PST 2009
Given that a PhD is about as likely as an MD to find yours.
Sue H....
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Sunil Ramalingam ; Joe Campbell
Cc: vision 2020
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
You are right, you are not a MD.
I would not want a PhD in Philosophy touching my uterus. :)
I don't know of any doctors that give flu shots. Most of them are done by Nurses, LPNs, and MAs. : )
Best Regards,
Donovan
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:20 AM
I'm a doctor and I can tell you that if someone asked me to give them an abortion I would refuse! Same thing if they asked for a flu shot. I'm not that kind of doctor!
Joe Campbell
On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
It appears your opposition to straw men exists only when used against your arguments. You're employing that argument here, using such extreme examples as to make them laughable.
Seems to me the 'conscience rule' as enacted by your former idol was mainly going to be used to allow pharmacists not to sell contraceptive pills or devices, not to protect your mythical medical professionals from performing procedures like abortions.
Sunil
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From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:04:46 -0800
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
The question that everyone continues to not answer is since when does earning an M.D. or entering the health care field automatically mean you must perform or facilitate abortions on demand?
I get the impression from comments you have made on this forum that you are a computer/internet "guy" Should you, assuming you would be otherwise disinclined, be forced to create web sites for Scientologists, pedophiles, or purveyors of porn?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>; "Saundra Lund" <sslund_2007 at verizon.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama to Rescind Conscience Rule
> g. crabtree wrote:
>> "I can certainly see situations (as Saundra Lund notes) where medical
>> providers, citing their religious beliefs, refuse to provide prenatal
>> care to various clients, refuse to give ED medication, refuse to do
>> reconstructive surgery."
>>
>> I'm thinking that you imagine the situations more vividly then you
>> might see them. Let's leave the religious aspect of this discussion
>> aside for a moment. While I find it more then a little hard to believe
>> that any other then the tiniest fraction of medical providers would
>> withhold the services you list, I still would have to ask, so
>> what? Get a different provider. As I have argued in the past, all
>> purveyors of goods and/or services, whether they be landlords,
>> physicians, pharmacists, bankers, grocers, mechanics, or anyone
>> else should be free to decide who they want to work for and sell to
>> based on whatever whim strikes their fancy.
>>
>> You're apparently in favor of the right to be irresponsible. You're in
>> favor of the right to not deal with the consequences of irresponsible
>> behavior. Above all else you're in favor of the right to choose. What
>> about my and others rights? Why does the right to choose supersede
>> everyone else's right to view innocent life as something special and
>> worthy of protection? What is it about your rights that are so special
>> that I have to be forced to join with you in exercising them against
>> my will?
>>
>> g
>
> Don't physicians already have the right to quit their jobs and go work
> elsewhere if they feel they are being forced to do something that goes
> against their conscience? Why do we need legislation to allow employees
> not to perform their work duties? I don't particularly like the idea of
> dialing 911 again and again until I get someone who is not a Jehovah's
> Witness and is willing to give me a blood transfusion when I really need
> it for example.
>
> This is similar to the Muslim guy in the news a while back that refused
> to sell alcoholic beverages at a convenience store. He's unsuited for
> the job he's in. He should be fired and replaced with someone who is
> willing to sell alcohol to adults.
>
> If you're in a job that might force you to do things you find
> objectionable - find another job.
>
> Paul
>
>
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