[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sat Jun 13 20:34:17 PDT 2009
This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you have
got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. What a joke!
And I'm not sure what is wrong with the quotes below. In fact by
making the claim that "the NY Times does it too" -- your favorite form
of "criticism" -- you are agreeing with the very claims you quote;
you're just extending the criticism (without evidence) to other news
organizations.
Of course, how else are you going to get someone to believe that
slavery wasn't so bad -- which is one fringe claim you defended -- or
that the holocaust never happened etc. unless you poison the well?
Which brings us back to my original point.
Here are two things you could do to make your point. Otherwise it is
just a bunch of unsupported rhetoric and you'll have proven my point.
First, you can come up with explicit examples in which the NY Times
shows bias, like the ones about Fox News noted in the article. Don't
just say they are biased give examples of bias like the ones noted
below.
Second, you can explain to me what the difference is between Wilson's
revisionism about US slavery -- which you've defended often -- and the
denial of the holocaust, other than degree? How are they both not
offensive, radical viewpoints lacking any rational support whatsoever?
You defended the one; what could keep you from defending the other?
Joe Campbell
On Jun 13, 2009, at 7:29 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> I'd have thought that it should go without saying (considering the
> respondent and the response, my mistake) that my tongue was slightly
> in cheek but, having said that, what conclusion should a
> conservative reach with remarks such as...
>
> "...to an even greater extent, right-wing extremism is being
> systematically fed by the conservative media and political
> establishment."
>
> and
>
> "...Fox News and the R.N.C. haven’t directly incited violence, despi
> te Bill O’Reilly’s declarations that “some” called Dr. Tiller
> “Tiller the Baby Killer," (wasn't that what the left called US troop
> s freshly returned from Vietnam?) that he had “blood on his
> hands,” and that he was a “guy operating a death mill.” But
> they have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy
> theories and apocalyptic rhetoric..."
>
> As though MSNBC and the New York Times hasn't. Responsibility is
> nowhere to be found. Mr. Rumelhart is correct all news comes from a
> point of view. FOX no less nor anymore than any other. To castigate
> conservatives for the random acts of a couple of lone nut cakes is
> no different than were those on the right to hold the wacky left
> responsible for the attacks of 9/11. But then again the rule has
> always been "it's all good from the left and the right should fall
> in line (like the "respectable conservative friends") or shut up and
> die. Sorry I don't get on board.
>
> Oh, and by the way, for what should I be holding myself accountable?
> I'd love to see your examples of my "legitimizing wackos and fringe
> freaks."
>
> g
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Saundra Lund
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> That’s just plain silly – that’s not what the article said at
> all. Leave it to Mr. Crabtree to be completely disingenuous in the
> hope that folks won’t take the time to read the op-ed piece and will
> instead have his inane remarks stuck in their heads as accurate.
>
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>
> The op-ed piece is actually quite good because it talks about <gasp>
> responsibility. Mr. Crabtree is all for responsibility except when
> it means holding himself accountable. On a much smaller scale, of
> course, Mr. Crabtree is a prime example of the point of the op-ed
> piece: legitimizing wackos & fringe freaks -- be they the radical
> right or the radical left -- is dangerous.
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>
> Sadly, the currently leaderless Party of No seems to have forgotten
> this factoid, which perhaps is a significant factor for why they are
> currently leaderless. Certainly, my respectable conservative
> friends for the most part have bailed from the GOP in large part
> because of the current politics of desperation of “embracing the fri
> nge freaks” while abandoning the ideals the party has stood for. S
> ome are still hanging in there hoping & working for change, and for
> the sake of this nation, I hope they are successful and that it happ
> ens soon. The hate- and fear-mongering path the party has sold out
> to is disgraceful and dangerous.
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>
> Saundra Lund
>
> Moscow, ID
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>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
> to do nothing.
>
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
>
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2009 through
> life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
> reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
> permission of the author.*****
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> ] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:43 AM
> To: Joe Campbell; Moscow Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
>
>
> Okey Dokey, you and Krugman believe that people who watch FOX news,
> occasionally listen to Limbaugh, Beck, or Hannity, are a recently
> returned vet, a conservative or a RNC member are murderous
> terrorists. Whats your plan for dealing with this calamity? Lets
> hear about how you and all of the forces of truth and light plan on
> dealing with this unfortunate turn of events. This ought to be a hoot!
>
>
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Joe Campbell
>
> To: Moscow Vision 2020
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:51 AM
>
> Subject: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
>
>
> From The New York Times:
>
> OP-ED COLUMNIST: The Big Hate
>
> By PAUL KRUGMAN
>
>
>
> The rise of right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the
> conservative media and political establishment....
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/opinion/12krugman.html
>
> Get The New York Times on your iPhone for free by visiting http://nytimes.com/iphoneinstaller
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> Joe Campbell
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