[Vision2020] Choices

Sat Jul 25 12:06:43 PDT 2009

Likewise, g, likewise. I also really couldn't care less if you find what I say of value. In fact, considering your pov, I would say that it's a compliment if you don't agree with me.

I'm glad you are happily married. If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for any two consenting adults, regardless if they are of the same sex or not. You don't deserve to be treated special.

Perhaps you think you are part of an elite class who gets priveliges? Think again...

Garrett Clevenger

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From: g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
To: Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net>; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Choices

Does this mean that I should now feel free to 
speculate and draw scurrilous conclusions concerning your, and others with whom 
I may disagree,  marriages and family life based on nothing more than the 
lightweight bumper sticker opinions you present to the community on this 
board? Just for the record I've been very happily married to my first wife for 
33 years as of this month. Do you really think you have anything by way of an 
opinion I would consider of any value concerning matrimony or, for that 
matter, anything else? Think again.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Garrett 
>  Clevenger 
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:18 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Choices
>
>
>Typical g, avoiding valid 
>  questions and spewing out a ridiculous response. 
>
>
>The people wanting 
>  to ban gay marriages don't want gay people to be treated as equal 
>  citizens. They don't care about keeping religion out of our laws. While 
>  marriage may be good enough for heteros, gay people now have to explain how 
>  allowing them to marry would benefit society.
>
>
>Who wouldn't want a gay 
>  marriage? It's not ironic that seemingly a majority of people don't want some 
>  people to be happily married. Makes you wonder if g is happily married, as 
>  maybe he just doesn't want to subject gay people to the misery he's 
>  feeling.
>
>The state has no business 
>  barring any two adults from entering a marriage. The fact that the main 
>  argument against banning gay marriage is because the bible said homosexuality 
>  is evil just shows how fanatics will usurp the 1st amendment and pass 
>  religious based laws. That is illegal and I certainly hope the supreme court 
>  someday is rational about that, and the stupid idea of banning gay marriage 
>  will be overturned.
>
>I'm a woman loving man. If another man is attracted 
>  to men, it seems that is their biological drive. It makes no sense to me to 
>  not be attracted to women so therefore gay people were probably born that way, 
>  and deserve to have equal protection under the law. Isn't that what America is 
>  about?
>
>
>While churches shouldn't be 
>  forced to marry gay people, gay people should have the right to marry one 
>  another and states should recognize that.
>
>
>Those who want to ban gay 
>  marriage are evil heartbreakers. How sad that they should feel so strongly 
>  about keeping two consenting adults from commiting their lives to each other 
>  in marriage.
>
>
>Gays are only wanting to love someone for 
>  life. This commitment should be honored. To wrap this up, you bigots are 
>  just not right.
> 
> Garrett 
>  Clevenger
>
>
>
>
>[Vision2020] 
>  Choicesthe lockshop lockshop at 
>  pull.twcbc.com 
>Fri Jul 24 15:26:29 PDT 
>
>
>Since 
>  I've done that one before Mo, why not just for fun try a different approach. 
>  Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you being able to 
>  marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society? Explain how it will be 
>  good for children (mine or yours, assuming you have any), how it will 
>  strenghten families, and how it won't cause large problems with regard to an 
>  already tottering social security system. Lay out how it won't set the stage 
>  for polygamous and polyandrous unions with all the inherent problems that will 
>  bring. Perhaps, if nothing else, explain to me what the major tangible 
>  benefits of it would even be for you and your partner.
>All the things that you claim you long for can be achieved by other legal means. It is my understanding that most states allow pretty much all accomadation to homosexual couples as they do hetro except the title, why so adamant in your insistance for a change to the status quo?
>
>g
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Mo Hendrickson 
>  To: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com 
>  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:11 PM
>  Subject: [Vision2020] Choices
>
>
>  One question Gary.  I am hoping you can clarify this point for me...
>
>  How would my desire to marry my partner adversely affect you? 
>
>  Your marriage, I am making an assumption that you are married, has no effect on me, so why would mine have any bearing on you?  Why do you advocate for denying me and my partner a legally recognized marriage?  
>
>  Not that I expect an answer but I thought I would put it out there.  I guess anybody who is opposed to same gender marriage could answer this question.  And so we don't head down the ridiculous path of marrying goats, I am defining same gender marriage as two consenting adults.  
>
>  -Mo
>
> 
>
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