[Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance

Wed Jan 21 21:52:10 PST 2009

Joe,

You are begging the question. It is a discriminatory law. You are defending it. 

The idea of the young volunteers won't work because of lawyers. If a sidewalk is not shoveled properly, they can be sued by the person that slips. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:22 PM

The law requires property owners to take responsibility for their property. Nothing more. I don't find that objectionable. And if I suggested the "solution" you note below, you, Roger, and Crabtree would have called me a socialist!

Not that I have a problem with it. Why don't you try to do something about it, see if you can get the proper laws passed, the taxes raised? I'm pretty sure I couldn't get it done for the reason noted above! You seem to be able to get away with more so give it a go!

Until then why not see if we can get Tom's idea going, of setting up a group of young folks who can volunteer to remove snow for people in need? What ever happened to that idea?

That's enough posts for tonight, folks! See you tomorrow! 

Joe Campbell

On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Joe,

It is unfortunate that you support a discriminatory law that requires persons of age and those with a disability to remove snow for the city. This is backasswards, it should be the city that removes the snow for its senior citizens and persons with a disability. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 8:18 PM

If they own a house they should have $5 to hire someone to shovel the sidewalk. If they are not property owners it is not their responsibility as far as I can tell from the document below.

It strikes me that your worry is purely hypothetical. If there really are folks who fall into some worrisome category - unable to walk homeowners who don't even have money to hire a kid to shovel - then give me their phone number and I'll make arrangements to do it myself. Like it or not it is their responsibility to take care of it. And they should do so.

I should add too that below is merely the notice of an existing law. I see no evidence that the law will be enforced any more than it has been. 

Joe Campbell

On Jan 21, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Joe writes:

"The city requires you to remove the snow not to shovel it yourself!"

Semantics?

And if they don't shovel the snow, or have the extra cash to spare after every single snow fall, Joe, how do you propose they remove it?

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Stephanie Kalasz" <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:04 PM

The city requires you to remove the snow not to shovel it yourself!

Joe Campbell

On Jan 21, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

And if you have a disability that prevents you from shoveling the city property next to your property, too bad, the city council still requires you to get out in your wheelchair and shovel away.  The shovel police are coming to a sidewalk near you! 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Stephanie Kalasz <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us> wrote:

From: Stephanie Kalasz <skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us>
Subject: [Vision2020] PR - Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance
To: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 3:17 PM

Press Release – Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance

To:      Interested Media 
From:  Gary J. Riedner, City Supervisor 
            206 E. 3rd St. , Moscow , Idaho 83843 
Telephone: (208) 883-7006; Fax: (208) 883-7018 
E-mail: griedner at ci.moscow.id.us 
c:         Mayor, City Council, All City Users 
Re:      City of Moscow Press Release 

Date:   January 21, 2009

For Immediate Release: 

Citizen Sidewalk Maintenance 

Moscow, Idaho, January 21, 2009 –As the forecast is calling for snow this coming weekend, January 24 and 25, the City of Moscow would like to remind residents that under Moscow City ordinance, it is the responsibility of the adjacent property owner to keep sidewalks clear of snow and debris. 

Specifically the Moscow City Code - Title 5 Public Ways and Property states: 

Sec. 9-3 Owner to Remove - It shall be the duty of every owner of any land, building, or lot within the City to remove snow and/or ice from adjacent sidewalks to permit the safe pedestrian passage upon said sidewalks bordering said property and to abate the nuisance set forth in this Chapter.  This duty applies to natural snowfall; it does not extend to snow displaced onto sidewalks by City snowplows after an owner has removed natural snowfall. 

For more information please contact the Public Works Department at 208-883-7034. 

### 

Jen Pfiffner 
City of Moscow 
Assistant to the City Supervisor 
206 E Third Street 
Moscow, ID 83843 
(208) 883-7123 
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