[Vision2020] Humane interrogations work

Tue Feb 24 22:30:11 PST 2009

Paul,

While I'm not sure my response was the answer you were looking for, a couple interesting documentaries about 911 I've seen I've pasted links to down below.

The Frontline one, produced by UI graduate Michael Kirk, if you haven't seen it yet, I reccommend, as it's very good. If it doesn't make you cry, not much will.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

The second one requires willingness to hear a deviation from the official story of 911. Perhaps it is more suited to those of us who don't trust those in power, but after seeing it, I definitely question the official 911 story. I haven't seen this final cut version of the documentary, as I watched the original one they produced a few years ago, but apparently, it's along the same lines.

http://loosechange911.com/finalcut/

If the evidence they present is true, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, it definitely twists the power play we've witnessed these last 8 years into a whole different light.

Moscow's radio staion 92.5 FM often broadcasts syndicated 911 stories, mostly between 10 am to noon. You'll hear all different kinds of takes on 911, the hijackers, and the motives behind whoever it was that caused this terror. 

My favorite shows are Background Briefing, which airs Mondays between 10 to 11 am, Unwelcome Guests, which airs Wednesday between 10 am and noon, and Guns and Butter, which airs Fridays between 11 am and noon.

Take care,

gclev

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations work
> To: "a" <smith at turbonet.com>
> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <idahotom at hotmail.com>, garrettmc at verizon.net, jampot at roadrunner.com, "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:04 PM
> This isn't really in response to this post, it's
> just something I wanted to bring up.
> 
> Why don't we know very much about what preceded 9/11? 
> Why aren't the names of every Al-Qaeda member that was
> complicit in the attacks on everyone's lips?  Why
> don't we know what their motives were with crystal
> clarity, despicable as they probably are?  Why haven't
> there been documentaries ad nausea about the days and weeks
> that preceded the attacks and what each member was doing
> along the way?
> 
> In my opinion, we should have handle the 9/11 crisis as a
> cooperative international dedicated criminal investigation. 
> Citizens of some tens of countries died that day.  We should
> have worked together to track them down and root them out. 
> Try them, then kill them if we're sure we have the right
> ones.  However, going in to some other country with guns
> blazing did nothing to help us find those responsible, and
> very likely made it impossible now.
> 
> If our only goal was to kill fundamentalist Muslims, then
> we did very well.  If we were actually interested in
> bringing those responsible to justice, we f*cked it up
> royally.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> a wrote:
> > Well hampster, heres a few areas where you're
> wrong.
> >  Point 1. We put prisoners of war in prisoner of war
> camps because there WERE prisioners of war. The detainees at
> Gitmo are not POW's and are not subject to the Geneva
> convention.
> >  Point 2. What does winning the war have to do with
> anything? It sounds to me as though you are using the might
> makes right argument.
> >  Point 3. What moral high ground? We have just been
> informed that WW II was violent US policey to force others
> to conform in our image.
> >  I guess that it was awfully inconsiderate of us to
> position our fleet underneath Yamamoto's torpedo bombers
> and incredibly boorish of our allies in England to leave
> London laying around where it could interfere with the
> landing of German ordinance. We are bastards aren't we?
> >  g
> > 
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Tom Hansen
> <mailto:idahotom at hotmail.com>
> >     *To:* smith at turbonet.com
> <mailto:smith at turbonet.com> ;
> >     garrettmc at verizon.net
> <mailto:garrettmc at verizon.net> ;
> >     jampot at roadrunner.com
> <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com> ; Vision 2020
> >     <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:32 AM
> >     *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations
> work
> > 
> >     g stated:
> >          "Let me get this straight. Imperial
> Japan and Adolph Hitler and
> >     the Nazi's were the recipients of 'violent
> US policy against
> >     people the US wanted to conform in it's
> image.'"
> >          Golly, gee, g . . .
> >          Back then there was no GITMO.  There were no
> secret CIA camps
> >     created for "interrogations"; just your
> regular American
> >     prisoner-of-war camps, all 512 of them (one of
> which was located
> >     in the vicinity of Fort Bliss, Texas, that I
> posted about
> >     earlier), operated in compliance with the Geneva
> Convention
> >     accords.  And, if our history books are correct
> (and me and my
> >     public education have no reason to doubt them), we
> not only won
> >     that war (aka "The Great Hate"), but, as
> the war concluded, the
> >     United States had its feet firmly planted on the
> moral highground.
> >          Now, concerning the current war, the one in
> Iraq that nobody is
> >     winning, and concerning GITMO, the camp that cost
> the United
> >     States its moral credibility, you were saying . .
> .
> >          Seeya in the bread lines, Moscow.
> >          Tom Hansen
> >     Moscow, Idaho
> >      
> >     "For a lapsed Lutheran born-again Buddhist
> pan-Humanist
> >     Universalist Unitarian Wiccan Agnostic like myself
> there's really
> >     no reason ever to go to work."
> > 
> >      
> >     - Roy Zimmerman
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >          > From: smith at turbonet.com
> >     > To: garrettmc at verizon.net;
> jampot at roadrunner.com;
> >     vision2020 at moscow.com
> >     > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:42:00 -0800
> >     > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane
> interrogations work
> >     >
> >     > Reading your list of possible other people
> who could have a
> >     vendetta against
> >     > the US, g, leads to one common demoninator:
> violent US policy
> >     against people
> >     > the US wanted to conform in it's image.
> >     >
> >     > Let me get this straight. Imperial Japan and
> Adolph Hitler and
> >     the Nazi's
> >     > were the recipients of "violent US
> policy against people the US
> >     wanted to
> >     > conform in it's image."
> >     >
> >     > You're to much.
> >     >
> >     > g
> > 
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