[Vision2020] Humane interrogations work

[Chasuk]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 23:35, Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:

> [Gary] end(s) writing, "I, Personally, refuse to apologize and I'm not to wild about submission, conversion is out of the question, and when it comes to death I figure better them then me. Call me crazy."

> That's not crazy, as we all feel it. That's what's driving the whole insanity, though, and all the bombs and blood spilt's not going to change it. Which leads me to conclude we're creating our own hell, which is quite ironic.

I have agreed with most of what you have written, Garrett, but I
disagree here.  I, for one, don't "feel it."

I sometimes apologize even when it isn't entirely heartfelt.  Usually,
my apology is reciprocated, and we both end up feeling better, and
more amenable to compromise and dialogue.  Obviously, apology is not
always a solution, but there is nothing intrinsically evil or cowardly
about it.

Submission is something that we all do every day of our lives, whether
we are children or adults.  We do if we want our relationships to be
successful, that is.  Husbands submit to their wives, and wives to
their husbands.  It isn't a sign of weakness, it is acknowledging that
we each have a right to boundaries that must be respected.  Groveling
isn't necessary.  When we submit to each other's boundaries, we
demonstrate that that the relationship is important enough to us that
we are willing to make sacrifices to make it work.

Islam has historically been very tolerant of other faiths.  Conversion
usually isn't expected or required.  Yes, we are talking about
extremists, but it is our annihilation that is their goal, rather than
our conversion,  which brings us to the final point...

Death isn't scary to a martyr, especially if their martyrdom results
in the simultaneous death of infidels, preferably many at the same
time.  Martyrs are like roosters in the hen house.  It only takes one
to fertilize an awful lot of chickens, and one martyr to kill an awful
lot of us.

Martyrs are far more tenacious than roosters, so exterminating them
all is unlikely, unless we make it US policy to engage in holy war and
genocide.  Personally, I'm voting against a US jihad.

So, instead of continuing to manufacture martyrs and terrorists, I
suggest that we master the techniques of apology and submission,
otherwise known as compromise, dialogue, and honest, mutual sacrifice.

Chas