[Vision2020] water sale bill

Mon Feb 9 23:45:57 PST 2009

Kai,

Our memories are very short. The Great Depression lasted from 1929 till 1946. The previous major economic downturn lasted 27 years. It is not uncommon throughout human history to have economic downturns for many decades. There is only so much the government can do restore confidence in the economy.

The United States has lost a lot of its wealth over the last few decades due to outsourcing jobs and insourcing illegal labor. The US debt is HUGE. 

This debt is not the result of a war as in other large debts in human history, it is the result of pure unadulterated greed. The US will have to pay its debts with high interest off before it can actually repair its economy. This is going to take a long, long time. 

Best Regards,

Donovan 

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com> wrote:
From: Kai Eiselein, Editor <editor at lataheagle.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale bill
To: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>, donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, rhayes at turbonet.com, chasuk at gmail.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:00 PM

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Recessions don't last forever.

From: Ellen Roskovich 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:29 AM
To: editor at lataheagle.com ; donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; rhayes at turbonet.com ; chasuk at gmail.com 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] water sale bill

Hmmmm. . . .hate to be the bearer of bad news, but. . . . 
there's a really good chance that even our home grown "mall rats" will have to 
change their habits as more national stores lay off employees, close their 
doors for good all across the country and potential UI students see the 
family savings evaporate as dad get's laid off with no health care and no 
pension for those "Golden Years" we were all 
promised.

I get the feeling that 
either Moscow residents are very sheltered or in complete denial about the state 
of affairs regarding our present 
economy.

It must be the Moscow 
water....or the Red State Kool Ade you're all drinking.  Cause I'm down 
here visiting family in Blue State Oregon where everyone on the block 
has at least one family member laid off and people are scrounging our mill end 
cut-off pile for something free to keep the family warm for one more 
day.

Ellen A. 
Roskovich

From: editor at lataheagle.com
To: gussie443 at hotmail.com; 
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; rhayes at turbonet.com; chasuk at gmail.com
CC: 
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale bill
Date: Mon, 
9 Feb 2009 10:34:03 -0800

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And in the meantime McMansions, with their 
attendant high-maintenance, water dependent lawns are plopped down all over the 
place without so much as a peep of opposition.
I wonder which uses more H2O?
Looking at it, the mall "may" be a good idea. 
I'll tell you why:
Because we have raised a couple of generations 
of "Mall Rats", a mall with the shops that today's kids expect may very well be 
a draw for prospective to students to both universities.
That translates into outside $ flowing into 
the communities and that is a good thing.

From: Ellen Roskovich 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:44 AM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com ; rhayes at turbonet.com ; chasuk at gmail.com 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale bill

Donovan. . . . You are probably not old enough to 
remember, but the "Moscow Mall" was built prior to the Palouse Empire 
Mall.  The one big anchor was Sears and lots of little outlets that were 
later duplicated in the Palouse Mall.  There simply wasn't enough traffic 
to justify two Jay Jacobs, two Hallmark shops, two of the same shoe shops. . . . 
duplication, not choice was the order of the day.  And at the same time we 
had a lively downtown with really nice family owned shops with quality 
merchandise.  I remember going "downtown" to outfit my oldest daughter for 
back- to- school clothes and supplies. . . .but ten years later, when my 
youngest was ready to start school, one mall was turning into a ghost 
town, Main Street had more services than retail and all 
the back-to-school sales were at K-Mart and the Palouse 
Mall.

So our "area" is set to get a bigger 
and badder-assed mall than the one we already can't afford to shop in now.  
Great timing, guys.  First off, you didn't learn a thing from the past 
thirty years and, I hate to break the news to y'all, but we're in a 
recession.  There's absolutely no hope of Home Depot opening up and I 
wonder if Lowes isn't having second thoughts.  There will be no Circuit 
City because they've already thrown in the towel nationwide.  Across the 
country Macy's is cutting jobs. . . will Moscow be next?  

And once and for all, Donovan, 
is doesn't matter if our water "tastes bad" or leaves a brown ring in the 
toilet. . . . if it's the only water available to us, then we need to know that 
and protect it.  I can't believe that this issue hasn't been studied and 
revisited with some conclusion finally available to us.  Communities need 
guidelines and can't we utilize the brainpower within our community. . . namely 
the University of 
Idaho? 

Also, 
Donovan, for what it's worth (not much, I know, because I'm not an expert) I 
remember reading somewhere that our snowfall, rain, etc. contributes 
very little to recharging the aquifer.  So every year we loose huge amounts 
of water because we can't store it.  Perhaps this is part of the issue that 
needs to be addressed for the future. . . or maybe I'm finally a nutty old 
lady who can't remember anything. 

Ellen A. 
Roskovich

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 00:31:11 -0800
From: 
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: rhayes at turbonet.com; chasuk at gmail.com
CC: 
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale bill

    I always thought they built the Moscow Mall just to make 
      the Palouse Empire Mall look better. 
I think if you fired a cannon 
      through the center of the Eastside Market Place the ball would kill more 
      people after it crossed the street into the cemetery.

Best 
      Regards,

Donovan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Chasuk 
      <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:

      From: Chasuk 
        <chasuk at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] water sale 
        bill
To: "roger hayes" <rhayes at turbonet.com>
Cc: 
        vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 3:22 PM

I live very near Safeway.  However, it generally fails me as a grocery
store, as it is too expensive for my income level.  So I travel the
extra distance to the
 much-less-expensive WinCo.

I would prefer to buy books locally -- and sometimes I do -- but I
usually buy from Amazon.  Why?  Convenience and affordability.

I love motion pictures.  They are one of the few treats I allow
myself.  But do I attend Moscow cinemas?  Of course not.  All Moscow
cinemas suck compared to the Village in Pullman.

Assuming that this mega-mall opens, I will likely shop there, as will
the majority of the citizens of Moscow, as they presently shop at
Wal-Mart, even if they are among the naysayers.

If this mega-mall opens, most of its employees will be from Moscow.  I
count that as a cash-injection for my community (although arguably
offset by the loss of tax revenue).  The water will come from our
shared aquifer.  I count that as a loss if we do nothing but bitch and
sulk, but as a gain if we shut up and sell them the water.

The first question is, why is the Palouse Empire
 Mall so pathetic?

Any "real" mall has a food court, which our pathetic mall lacks. 
Even
the CUB at WSU has a passable food court.  Please don't mention the
Sodexo abomination in the UI Commons.

Any "real" mall has a cineplex, which our pathetic mall lacks.

At least Eastside Marketplace is honest enough not to include the word
"mall" in its name.

The second, and last, question is, since the combined populations of
Moscow and Pullman don't seem adequate to support the Palouse Empire
Mall or Eastside Marketplace, why should this mega-mall succeed?

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