[Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!

[lfalen]

Joe 
You may be right, but I think that the major reason is  that there are to many other interest to compete with such as the internet and video games and also a decreasing lack of parental direction. In any case it would be up to the organization as to whether they wanted to sacrifice principe for the sake of membership.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:33:51 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!

> I agree. But if someone wants to know why there are fewer scouts now  
> than there were when I was a boy, some reasons have been given. Times  
> change and if you want to keep up you have to change with them.
> 
> Joe Campbell
> 
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:41 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was never in the Boy Scouts. I was raised to far away from  
> > civilization for that. However I did spend practically all of my  
> > time outside. I think that the Boy Scots is a good organization and  
> > my son was in it. I don't care whether they are secular or non  
> > secular. I believe that as a private organization they have the  
> > right to set what ever requirements that they want. People that do  
> > not like it do not have to join. It is wrong for the government to  
> > try and impose rules on them.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:38:42 -0800
> > To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com,  Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> I think too, that the Scouts are in general a great learning tool  
> >> for many young men. I also agree that teaching young men to  
> >> discriminate by banning youths that may be gay or questioning their  
> >> sexuality is wrong. I think they need to not be an organization  
> >> about sex or sexual orientation, and instead be an organization  
> >> that focuses on nature and community service, as they have always  
> >> been.
> >>
> >> I was a scout for about two years. I didn't like it as much as  
> >> Indian Guides. I thought Indian Guides was less formal and more  
> >> creative. The problem was there was not enough kids to form a  
> >> decent group in local enough area, so I moved in the Boy Scouts. It  
> >> was fun, but too formal, in my opinion.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Donovan
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Donovan
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
> >> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:34 PM
> >>
> >> I don't want get controversial but the anti-gay comments have hurt,
> >> too. I was a scout. And odidnt mind the uniforms! Both my dad and
> >> brother were eagle scouts.
> >>
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:52, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I really like what the CiNN network is all about-getting kids into
> >>>> nature.  But, speaking as a former professional Scout  
> >>>> coordinator, it
> >>>> seems a bit redundant.  We've had Girl and Boy Scouts for almost
> >> 100
> >>>> years doing just this.  The program is in place, the support  
> >>>> network
> >>>> has already been built, 100s of thousands of kids are participating
> >>>> with the assistance of numerous volunteers, and many great camps
> >>>> exist.  Why not support and grow what we already have?
> >>>
> >>> When I was a kid, my parents tried to involve me in Scouts many  
> >>> times,
> >>> but I hated it.  I disliked then, and I dislike now, anything
> >>> resembling merit badges.  If something is worth doing, it is worth
> >>> doing for itself, and the ribbons and medals are condescending.
> >>> Further, most of the merit-badge-earning activities I found  
> >>> pointless
> >>> and tedious.
> >>>
> >>> I dislike that the Boy Scouts are not entirely secular, although the
> >>> Girl Scouts gets this right.  I also think that the uniforms should
> >>> go.  I know a couple of Boy Scouts, and they all look embarrassed by
> >>> the uniforms.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, those are my objections to Scouting.  Your mileage may vary
> >>> (and probably will).
> >>
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