[Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Tue Apr 28 11:40:25 PDT 2009
I retired at 69, two years ago. I was 71 yesterday. The only way I could participate would be to return something to PERSI or to send more to the state. Reducing all PERSI payments might be an option.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:52:01 -0700
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial Crisis
> That is what my wife is doing too.
>
> Are you doing it Roger? Are you saying I should do it but you don't
> have to do it?
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:42 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
> > That is what my wife is doing.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:37:18 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
> > Crisis
> >
> >> I'm sorry to hear about your wife's situation, Roger. Staff is
> >> getting
> >> the worst of it at WSU, too.
> >>
> >> But I still think Nick has a point. Here is one way to put it. Would
> >> you or anyone else on this list be willing to "cut" your pay by
> >> giving
> >> 3% more to the state of ID to help prevent folks at UI from being
> >> fired? If you and others say "yes," then I'm on board, as well!
> >>
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 10:03 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Joe
> >>> I do no want you or any one else to lose their job. I think that pay
> >>> cuts are preferable to layoffs.It is inevitably that some programs
> >>> will be cut. there are no students or very few for a class it will
> >>> be cut. My wife is staff in the PSES department at UI. She runs the
> >>> Soils Pedology Lab. She will receive an award for 40 years of
> >>> service today. She puts in 10 to 12 hours a day and does not get
> >>> comp. time. She had cancer in 2003. She had surgery, chemo,
> >>> radiation and the whole ball of wax. She is still suffering from
> >>> the after affects. She takes a lot of Ibuprofen and diuretics to
> >>> keep on going. She is not yet eligible for full Social Security.
> >>> There have already been severe cut backs at PSES. Sixteen positions
> >>> will not be filled. There are very few students in soils. If it were
> >>> not for the environmental students there would be even less. If
> >>> things get any worse she could be in danger. She is willing to take
> >>> the 3% decrease. Everyone else should also.
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:48:06 -0700
> >>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to Financial
> >>> Crisis
> >>>
> >>>> I am not guarenteed a job, Roger. As I understand it, cutting the
> >>>> department provides justification for firing me. That is how my
> >>>> chair
> >>>> explained it. I have some security, of course, and I'm thankful for
> >>>> that. But not of the sort you imagine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Campbell
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:34 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are still guarenteed a job.In bad times that should be enough.
> >>>>> Why should not everyone share in the cuts? Why should you be
> >>>>> placed
> >>>>> on an elevated pedestal at the expense of peasants(staff)?
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:30:51 -0700
> >>>>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>> Financial
> >>>>> Crisis
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe I should have expressed my question more clearly, What is
> >>>>>> tenure
> >>>>>> without the salary? What do you get with that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joe Campbell
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All I am saying is that pay cuts should affect everyone,
> >>>>>>> starting
> >>>>>>> with administrators. It makes no sence to cut the pay of those
> >>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>> the lowest end of the pay scale while excluding those that make
> >>>>>>> more. If the rules for tenure do not allow for this, then the
> >>>>>>> rules
> >>>>>>> need to be changed.
> >>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:22:01 -0700
> >>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Gier,
> >>>>>>> Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>> Financial
> >>>>>>> Crisis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If tenure protects base salary, as two legal cases indicate
> >>>>>>>> that it
> >>>>>>>> does, then a contract that invalidated that aspect of tenure
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be illegal and no faculty member should agree to it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>> ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> You are reading in things that arn't there. I said only that
> >>>>>>>>> future tenure contract should not lock in salaries in the
> >>>>>>>>> event
> >>>>>>>>> that every one else takes a pay cut. In this narrow regard,
> >>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>> one should be immuned.
> >>>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:01:58 -0700
> >>>>>>>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Here are your exact words:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "If this is prohibited by tenured rules, these should be
> >>>>>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>>>> going forward. Contracts should be honored as the early
> >>>>>>>>>> retires
> >>>>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these
> >>>>>>>>>> kinds
> >>>>>>>>>> of contracts in the future."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you did not mean to say it, but you wrote this and it
> >>>>>>>>>> clearly implies that future contracts for faculty would not
> >>>>>>>>>> include tenure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 1:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Gier, Nicholas; nickgier at roadrunner.com;
> >>>>>>>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I did not say anything about eliminating tenure, only that
> >>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>> should be subject to same rules as staff when it comes to pay
> >>>>>>>>>> cuts.
> >>>>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER at uidaho.edu
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:42:01 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you are suggesting that Idaho eliminate tenure, then
> >>>>>>>>>>> prospective faculty members will not apply for jobs on
> >>>>>>>>>>> Idaho's
> >>>>>>>>>>> campuses. That of course would be disastrous for Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>>> higher
> >>>>>>>>>>> education.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tenure is necessary for academic freedom and that means,
> >>>>>>>>>>> after a
> >>>>>>>>>>> rigorous probationary period of 5-7 years, tenured
> >>>>>>>>>>> professors
> >>>>>>>>>>> have career-long protection from political interference in
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> teaching, research, and service.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of lfalen
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed 4/22/2009 10:39 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: nickgier at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>>>> Financial Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you on administrative position and athletics,
> >>>>>>>>>>> though not necessarily on tenure. If cuts do get down to
> >>>>>>>>>>> staff
> >>>>>>>>>>> positions, it should also include tenured faculty. If this
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> prohibited by tenured rules, these should be changed going
> >>>>>>>>>>> forward. Contracts should be honored as the early retires
> >>>>>>>>>>> contracts should be honored. The thing is do not make these
> >>>>>>>>>>> kinds of contracts in the future.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:54:37 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] State Faculty Union Responds to
> >>>>>>>>>>> Financial
> >>>>>>>>>>> Crisis
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IFT HIGHER EDUCATION COUNCIL RESPONDS TO FINANCIAL CRISIS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On April 15, 2009 the Higher Education Council of the Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Federation of Teachers, AFT/AFL-CIO met in a phone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> conference
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to discuss the financial crisis.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Those present were Valia Tatarova, Idaho State University
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (physics); Lynn Lubamersky, Boise State University
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (history);
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Riggs, Lewis-Clark State College (history); Lynne
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Haagensen, University of Idaho (art); Joyce Lider, North
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>>>> College (English); Susan Andrews, IFT Vice-President for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Higher
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Education; and Nick Gier, IFT President.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I. Salary Reduction Proposal. According to a legal opinion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the AFT national office, academic tenure protects base
> >>>>>>>>>>>> salary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tenure is a property right and at least two court cases
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> recognized that base salary is part of that property. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IFT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Higher Education Council voted to oppose any salary
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reductions
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for tenured faculty. We join the BSU Faculty Senate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> President
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in vowing to file a case action suit if tenured faculty are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> forced to take a pay cut. In a related decision the IFT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Higher
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Education Council voted that classified staff, lecturers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> non-tenured faculty be exempt from salary reductions and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed that salary savings be taken from those making
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> than $100,000.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> II. Teaching positions should have priority over
> >>>>>>>>>>>> administrative
> >>>>>>>>>>>> positions. Nation-wide administrative positions have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> generally
> >>>>>>>>>>>> grown at a greater rate than teaching positions. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> example
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of BSU is especially egregious: from 2005-2007 BSU had over
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 100
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more administrators than its peers but 191 fewer faculty
> >>>>>>>>>>>> members instructing students than peer institutions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Administrative salaries have also outpaced faculty pay.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Since
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1982 the salaries of 11 top UI administrative positions
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> increased 260 percent while full professor salaries
> >>>>>>>>>>>> increased
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 198 percent. (CPI for the period was 215.) (For more see
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/salaries.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to recommend
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> administrative positions be cut before teaching positions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> III. Appropriated funds are for academics not athletics.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Since
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1987 state subsidies for athletics at the UI has grown 338
> >>>>>>>>>>>> percent while appropriations for Idaho higher education has
> >>>>>>>>>>>> grown 159 percent. Currently the state subsidies for UI
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ISU athletics are over $3 million. Since 1999 private
> >>>>>>>>>>>> contributions to UI athletics rose 246 percent, indicating
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> potential for it to wean itself, as any non-academic
> >>>>>>>>>>>> program
> >>>>>>>>>>>> should, from its state subsidy. (For more see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/athletics.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> .) The IFT Higher Education Council voted to request that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> state monies for athletics on all Idaho campuses be phased
> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>> over 4-6 years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IV. Program reduction procedures must be revised. In 2002
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho State Board of Education (SBOE) instituted new
> >>>>>>>>>>>> procedures
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for program reduction. At that time the IFT objected to a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> lack
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of protection for tenured faculty and requested that the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> procedures be revised. As no revisions have been made, IFT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> president asked in December 2008 for a legal opinion from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> national office. The response was that these procedures
> >>>>>>>>>>>> undermine tenure and do not comply with Idaho law. (For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> see <www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ProgramReduction.htm>.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The IFT Higher Education Council voted to urge the SBOE to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> revise these procedures such that tenured faculty have the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>>>> protection as under the procedures for financial exigency.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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