[Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram

[Tom Hansen]

Oh, yeah.

Now, there's an appropriate comparison . . . Bush and Lincoln.

Jeesh!

And Hitler merely made a bad career move.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

> On April 27, 1861, habeas corpus was suspended by President Abraham 
Lincoln in Maryland 
> and parts of midwestern states. It does some good to actually look at 
what Lincoln wrote
> ESPECIALLY the line in the second part when the phrase "during the 
rebellion" is used. GWB

> and 
> his ilk  NEVER specified a time period, PLUS it specifies "and liable to 
trial and
> punishment by 
> courts-martial or military commission." When  texas George and his gang 
tried to pull this

> off, 
> there were NO courts-martial or military commissions to give the 
prisoners a trial.
> 
> 
> "Whereas, It has become necessary to call into service, not only 
volunteers, but also
> portions of 
> the militia of the States by draft, in order to suppress the 
insurrection existing in the
> United 
> States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the 
ordinary processes of
> law 
> from hindering this measure, and from giving aid and comfort in various 
ways to the 
> insurrection. Now, therefore, be it ordered, that during the existing 
insurrection, and as

> a 
> necessary measure for suppressing the same, all rebels and insurgents, 
their aiders and 
> abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging 
volunteer enlistments,
> resisting 
> militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice affording aid and 
comfort to the rebels

> against 
> the authority of the United States, shall be subject to martial law, and 
liable to trial
> and 
> punishment by courts-martial or military commission.
> Second: That the writ of habeas corpus is suspended in respect to all 
persons arrested, or

> who 
> are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any 
fort, camp,
> arsenal, 
> military prisons, or other place of confinement, by any military 
authority, or by the
> sentence of 
> any court-martial or military commission.
> In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of 
the United States
> to be 
> affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this Twenty-fourth day of 
September, in the year
> of 
> our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the 
Independence of the United 
> States the eighty-seventh.
> ABRAHAM LINCOLN. By the President.
> WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State."
> 
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> > It was during a time of armed insurrection, as specified in the
> > Constitution. The United States was rife with traitors, both to our
> > principles and to our government. He did what was necessary. Even 
accepting
> > the counterfactual that 9/11 was an armed insurrection, the 
Constitution
> > cannot possibly permit the indefinite suspension of habeas corpus 
during a
> > permanent war.
> > 
> > -- ACS
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Joe
> > > What do you think os Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus?
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:05:13 -0800
> > > To: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Habeas Corpus at Bagram
> > >
> > > > FYI Hilary Bok is a philosopher. Works in free will, which is the 
same
> > > > area I work in.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Campbell
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hilary Bok at the Washington Monthly has the best piece I've seen
> > > > > about the habeas corpus rights of prisoners at Bagram. The 
previous
> > > > > administration's too-clever-by-half reading of U.S. v. 
Eisentrager
> > > > > (the case upon which the detention regime at Guantanamo) has led 
to
> > > > > some serious, and intentional, confusion of the respective
> > > > > jurisdictions of our military and federal courts.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/
> > > > > 2009_02/017017.php
> > > > >
> > > > > This article pretty much sums up what I think about Bagram.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- ACS
> > > > > 
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