[Vision2020] Dissenter on Warming Expands His Campaign
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Apr 15 08:09:38 PDT 2009
Donovan,
I'd say it matters a lot. It matters that people have irrational
beliefs yet want to dictate policy. How can that not matter?
Joe Campbell
On Apr 15, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Ted,
>
> It doesn't matter what the science says, because people are going to
> believe what they want to believe.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Dissenter on Warming Expands His Campaign
> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:37 AM
>
> I agree that the lifestyle of many who are environmentally focused
> is hypocritical.
> However, the topic of my post is misrepresentation and distortion of
> information in science related public propaganda campaigns on
> climate change. Any campaign that engages in these tactics should
> be viewed with skepticism.
>
> I find it surprising that these tactics are employed when this can
> damage the credibility of the campaign. I suppose it is assumed
> most in the public won't read the fine print, nor will they research
> the science.
>
> Ted Moffett
>
> On 4/13/09, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> This isn't any more ridiculous than people in the US claiming they
> are "environmentalists" or they care about the environment.
>
> Anyone that lives in the Western Civilization is contributing to the
> gross over consumption of resources and pollution of the
> environment. Anyone that drives a car, or lives in a modern US house
> of apartment, shops at the local grocery store, is doing far more to
> destroy the Earth than the recycling of all the soda cans and
> cardboard they use.
>
> It is laughable to see SUVs with "Earth Day" or "Don't Pave
> Paradise" bumper stickers. It is laughable to see two story houses
> with all the lights on inside the house, three automobiles in the
> driveway, three or four children, and an owner that claims to care
> about our planet.
>
> Unless you move away from civilization, live in a hut made out of
> manure, and eat the bare minimum to sustain yourself, like 70% of
> the world, you are a hypocrite in saying you care about the Earth
> and your impact on it, and look more absurd than a guy claiming the
> global warming isn't real and the automobiles don't pollute.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Dissenter on Warming Expands His Campaign
> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 12:00 PM
>
>
> Why do those who organize coordinated well funded campaigns that
> claim to demonstrate that anthropogenic climate change is
> exaggerated as a threat, or an outright hoax, engage in
> misrepresentation and what I would call "fraud?" Wouldn't their
> campaigns be more believable if they vetted their lists of
> references to PhD. scientists who genuinely doubt the science behind
> anthropogenic warming? Of course, if they restricted their
> references to PhD. climate scientists currently publishing in
> legitimate peer reviewed scientific journals, their list would be
> shorter. But nonetheless, if you claim a long list of PhD.s doubts
> global warming is human caused, many in the public will find this
> credible, even if many of the scientists quoted are not specialists
> in climate science currently publishing in this field.
>
> Just as with the campaign to shed doubt on the theory of evolution,
> and promote creationism or intelligent design, with the lists of
> 100s of scientists who sign their names to this effort, you can find
> hundreds of PhD. scientists who will sign their names to lists that
> suggest that the science behind anthropogenic warming is doubtful.
>
> But to create a list of over 700 "scientists" who supposedly doubt
> human impacts on climate, as Marc Moreno has done and is discussed
> in the article below, and misrepresent by claiming someone is a
> meteorologist, when they are not, or including a scientist in the
> report who does not dispute anthropogenic warming, who later demands
> his inclusion in Moreno's effort be retracted, undermines the
> credibility of these campaigns.
>
> Ted Moffett
> -----------------
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/us/politics/10morano.html?_r=1&hpw
>
> Dissenter on Warming Expands His Campaign
>
> By LESLIE KAUFMAN
> Published: April 9, 2009
> WASHINGTON — Marc Morano does not think global warming is anything t
> o worry about, and he brags about his confrontations with those who
> do.
> For example, Mr. Morano said he once spotted former Vice President
> Al Gore on an airplane returning from a climate conference in Bali.
> Mr. Gore was posing for photos with well-wishers, and Mr. Morano
> said he had asked if he, too, could have his picture taken with Mr.
> Gore.
> He refused, Mr. Morano said.
> “You attack me all the time,” Mr. Gore said, according to Mr.
> Morano.
> “Yes, we do,” Mr. Morano said he had replied.
> Mr. Gore’s office said Mr. Gore had no memory of the encounter. Mr.
> Morano does not care. He tells the story anyway.
> As a spokesman for Senator James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ranking
> Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee, Mr. Morano
> was for years a ceaseless purveyor of the dissenting view on climate
> change, sending out a blizzard of e-mail to journalists covering the
> issue. Now, with Congress debating legislation to curb carbon
> dioxide emissions, Mr. Morano is hoping to have an even greater
> impact. He has left his job with Mr. Inhofe to start his own Web
> site, ClimateDepot.com.
> The site, scheduled to debut this week, will be a “one-stop shop”
> for anyone following climate change, Mr. Morano says. He will post r
> esearch he thinks the public should see, as well as reported video s
> egments and ratings of environmental journalists.
> Supporters see Mr. Morano as a crucial organizing force who has
> taken diffuse pieces of scientific research and fused them into a
> political battering ram.
> “Before Marc, efforts to debunk global warming were scattered and di
> sorganized,” said John Coleman, a weather broadcaster who helped fou
> nd the Weather Channel and who has called global warming “a scam.”
> And environmentalists and mainstream climate scientists, however
> much they disagree with Mr. Morano’s views, still pay attention to w
> hat he does.
> Kert Davies, the research director of Greenpeace, said he would like
> to dismiss Mr. Morano as irrelevant, but could not.
> “He is relentless pushing out misinformation,” Mr. Davies said.
> “In denying the urgency of the problem, he definitely slows things d
> own on the regulatory front. Eventually, he will be held accountable
> , but it may be too late.”
> In his work with Mr. Inhofe, Mr. Morano, whose thick build fills out
> his suit like a bulldog in a restraining jacket, did not hesitate to
> go after journalists he saw as biased. He promoted any study or
> statement that could be construed as cutting against the prevailing
> view that heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide contribute to
> global warming. Peter Dykstra, a former executive producer for CNN’s
> science, environment and technology unit, recently called him the “
> drum major of the denial parade.”
> Mr. Morano may be best known for compiling a report listing hundreds
> of scientists whose work he says undermines the consensus on global
> warming.
> But environmental advocates and bloggers say that many of those
> listed as scientists have no scientific credentials and that their
> work persuaded no one not already ideologically committed.
> Mr. Morano’s new Web site is being financed by the Committee for a C
> onstructive Tomorrow, a nonprofit in Washington that advocates for f
> ree-market solutions to environmental issues.
> Craig Rucker, a co-founder of the organization, said the committee
> got about a third of its money from other foundations. But Mr.
> Rucker would not identify them or say how much his foundation would
> pay Mr. Morano. (Mr. Morano says it will be more than the $134,000
> he earned annually in the Senate.)
> Public tax filings for 2003-7 — the last five years for which docume
> nts are available — show that the Committee for a Constructive Tomor
> row received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the ExxonMobil Fo
> undation and from foundations associated with the billionaire Richar
> d Mellon Scaife, a longtime financer of conservative causes best kno
> wn for its efforts to have President Bill Clinton impeached. Mr. Ruc
> ker said Exxon had not contributed anything last year.
> Mr. Morano grew up in a conservative household in Northern Virginia
> with an affinity for nature and animals — his basement was home to a
> menagerie of reptiles, including a boa constrictor.
> “I used to tell people I was Republican except on the
> environment,” he said.
> After college, Mr. Morano worked as a reporter for Rush Limbaugh,
> where he said he had learned the satisfactions of poking at the “lib
> eral establishment.” He made a documentary on the Amazon rain forest
> , he said, because it annoyed him that celebrities like Sting could
> dictate what people think about the issue. They vastly exaggerated t
> he problem of deforestation, he concluded.
> He then jumped to Cyber News Service, where he was the first to
> publish accusations from Vietnam Swift-boat veterans that Senator
> John Kerry of Massachusetts, then the Democratic presidential
> nominee, had glorified his war record. Many of the accusations later
> proved unfounded.
> Mr. Morano is proud of his work, which he says is not advocacy but
> truth seeking.
> “Even in the Senate, I’d put up any of the stories we did against
> any pablum Time or Newsweek has put out on global warming,” he said.
> “We’d link to the other side; we’d present their arguments.
> They do one-sided screeds.”
> In 2007, he points out, the Republican Web site of Mr. Inhofe’s comm
> ittee won an award from the independent Congressional Management Fou
> ndation.
> But some scientists and environmental advocates who have made it
> their business to monitor Mr. Morano see his reports — the most rece
> nt was titled “More than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over M
> an-Made Global Warming Claims” — as far from balanced.
> Kevin Grandia, who manages Desmogblog.com, which describes itself as
> dedicated to combating misinformation on climate change, says the
> report is filled with so-called experts who are really weather
> broadcasters and others without advanced degrees.
> Chris Allen, for example, the weather director for WBKO-TV in
> Kentucky, is listed as a meteorologist on the report, even though he
> has no degree in meteorology. On his Web site, Mr. Allen has written
> that his major objection to the idea of human-influenced climate
> change is that “it completely takes God out of the picture.” Mr.
> Allen did not respond to phone calls.
> Mr. Grandia also said Mr. Morano’s report misrepresented the work of
> legitimate scientists. Mr. Grandia pointed to Steve Rayner, a profe
> ssor at Oxford, who was mentioned for articles criticizing the Kyoto
> Protocol, the 1997 international treaty on curbing carbon dioxide e
> missions.
> Dr. Rayner, however, in no way disputes the existence of global
> warming or that human activity contributes to it, as the report
> implies. In e-mail messages, he said that he had asked to be removed
> from the Morano report and that a staff member in Mr. Inhofe’s offic
> e had promised that he would be. He called his inclusion on the list
> “quite outrageous.”
> Asked about Dr. Rayner, Mr. Morano was unmoved. He said that he had
> no record of Dr. Rayner’s asking to be removed from the list and tha
> t the doctor must be “not to be remembering this clearly.”
> Many scientists, Mr. Morano said, are afraid that appearing on the
> list will have political fallout.
> And political fallout, for him, is the point.
>
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